Duke @ North Carolina 3 Plays (Video)

[deecee]

All good calls. I don't see an illegal jump stop on the last one, it looks good.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by deecee

All good calls. I don't see an illegal jump stop on the last one, it looks good.

The feet don't come down simultaneously.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The feet don't come down simultaneously.

I don't know what your expectation is for simultaneously because ALL jump stops would be travels. Calling this not simultaneous is a nit that I'm never going to pick.

What's the fascination with travel calls? Out of all the hero calls a hero travel call is the rarest of them all, and usually involves a clear cut travel (like a switch of the pivot foot while a player keeps pivoting). I used to call a lot of travels but after watching guys that were in positions that I wanted to be in NOT call as many I noticed a pattern. In talking with them and from instruction I have come to accept that picking NITS with travels is not what is expected, nor does it make one a great official.

This rule is not 100% but it does cover 98-99% of real time application for me. I make sure I get the ones that Ray Charles in the last row would call. I try my best to call the ones that give a clear advantage to the offensive player and ARE obvious, and the rest I'm ok missing. Because I bet that we get more travels called incorrect than we do when we don't put air in the whistle.

By the letter of the law I'm sure our HS or even college games have way more travels that go uncalled but I just don't focus as much on those calls as I do with everything else I have to. I stick to calling the obvious and if I have to justify my call with a "well he picked up his dribble a hair before he lifted his XYZ foot off the ground and then a lace of his pivot returned to the ground so I have a travel" I'm focusing on all the wrong things.

Simultaneous - eh close enough. I can also tell you that the more athletic the players the tougher it is to pick up their pivot foot as they are so darn quick. For the love of me I don't want to take a possession away from a team on a borderline guess or 50/50 call.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't know what your expectation is for simultaneously because ALL jump stops would be travels. Calling this not simultaneous is a nit that I'm never going to pick.

What's the fascination with travel calls? Out of all the hero calls a hero travel call is the rarest of them all, and usually involves a clear cut travel (like a switch of the pivot foot while a player keeps pivoting). I used to call a lot of travels but after watching guys that were in positions that I wanted to be in NOT call as many I noticed a pattern. In talking with them and from instruction I have come to accept that picking NITS with travels is not what is expected, nor does it make one a great official.

This rule is not 100% but it does cover 98-99% of real time application for me. I make sure I get the ones that Ray Charles in the last row would call. I try my best to call the ones that give a clear advantage to the offensive player and ARE obvious, and the rest I'm ok missing. Because I bet that we get more travels called incorrect than we do when we don't put air in the whistle.

By the letter of the law I'm sure our HS or even college games have way more travels that go uncalled but I just don't focus as much on those calls as I do with everything else I have to. I stick to calling the obvious and if I have to justify my call with a "well he picked up his dribble a hair before he lifted his XYZ foot off the ground and then a lace of his pivot returned to the ground so I have a travel" I'm focusing on all the wrong things.

Simultaneous - eh close enough. I can also tell you that the more athletic the players the tougher it is to pick up their pivot foot as they are so darn quick. For the love of me I don't want to take a possession away from a team on a borderline guess or 50/50 call.

Deecee,

Very well stated....It is obvious that you are attending camps and people are teaching you not only how to officiate this play but how to keep yourself out of trouble in the process.

There are enough people in the avocation that will call a travel on this play....it is because of them that you will have "job security" for a long time !!!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't know what your expectation is for simultaneously because ALL jump stops would be travels. Calling this not simultaneous is a nit that I'm never going to pick.
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Jump stops are either properly or improperly performed. I officiate in the hometown of Allen Iverson, so I've seen plenty of examples of properly executed jump stops. Even the guys I used to play pick-up ball with know the difference because it is a move that a lot AI admirers have tried to perfect over the years.

I didn't need slow motion to tell Grayson's jump stop was improper, but I also acknowledged that no one is calling this one a travel, including myself.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I didn't need slow motion to tell Grayson's jump stop was improper, but I also acknowledged that no one is calling this one a travel, including myself.

Agree.

[PAlbc]

Jump stops aside, can someone please explain why play #3 isn't a travel before the foul?

I realize that slow motion isn't great since officials have to make the calls in real time, but the camera angle is blocked from seeing everything clearly.

Agreeing with griblets, If you stop the video at 25 sec mark, ball is in both hands, right foot is pivot foot. He then proceeds to put down the left, lift the right and then puts it down again after the spin move.

Travel?

Since the foul happened after the travel then the contact on the shot shouldn't matter. Yes?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by PAlbc

Jump stops aside, can someone please explain why play #3 isn't a travel before the foul?

I realize that slow motion isn't great since officials have to make the calls in real time, but the camera angle is blocked from seeing everything clearly.

Agreeing with griblets, If you stop the video at 25 sec mark, ball is in both hands, right foot is pivot foot. He then proceeds to put down the left, lift the right and then puts it down again after the spin move.

Travel?

Since the foul happened after the travel then the contact on the shot shouldn't matter. Yes?

It probably was a travel but in real time I wouldn't catch that. The decision for when the player has gathered to which foot is the pivot is at times impossible and we miss the real first pivot foot. It's just a fact, especially with D1 athletes as they move so quick. If you need to stop the video to see the travel then it's best that you just don't call the travel.