arm stuck after an almost-held ball

[bob jenkins]

It sounds to me like A got the ball through the use of "undue roughness." Just because it happened before the official could make the call doesn't mean it's too late to make the call.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It sounds to me like A got the ball through the use of "undue roughness." Just because it happened before the official could make the call doesn't mean it's too late to make the call.

I agree with this. Call the held ball which happened first. Contact after the held ball (including pulling away such that a players arm is pinned) is ignored unless intentional or flagrant.

[HokiePaul]

I'm re-reading this and seeing the play differently than my first post (I was imagining B continue to hold onto the ball but get pulled into an awkward position of being pinned). That would be a held ball.

But if A pulled the ball free and B just has an arm stuck, I'm giving the players half a second to react. If B pulls the arm out and A lets him, then I have nothing. If B tries to pull his arm out and A keeps it pinned, then its a foul of A. And if B doesn't attempt to move his arm but instead causes illegal contact then I could see a foul on B.

[River Ref]

Call the jump and be done with it.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by River Ref

Call the jump and be done with it.

I'd rather officials discuss plays so we don't have jump balls on plays that shouldn't be ruled jump balls.

This is a good discussion.

[River Ref]

Calling the jump avoids all the additional force and interpetations and possible injuries. Jump it and move on.

[rsl]

My play (the original OP) is more like Cameron described, i.e., A1 turns his body and B1's arm inadvertently gets caught. But, It is interesting to see how many of you visualized the play differently.

I am leaning toward a patient no call unless it get rough, and then call the held ball.