Do you pregame this?
Would it be odd to be in a game where one official is and the other(s) aren't?
Also, does this communicate that we're alert and engaged?

No

I've never had anyone, partner, observer, or otherwise, tell me if was wrong or odd or bad.

Maybe, maybe not. But I've yet to hear it's a problem or bad idea. If I do, then I'll adjust.

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Billy, he's never going to say he was wrong. :rolleyes: Better to just leave it alone.

You're obviously stuck on this one official as a representative of all officials.

I'm a college and I use the mechanic. I just looked at the video from my last game and I used it 7 seconds into the game, then again 4 seconds later, then my crew chief 7 seconds later; three times on the first possession of the game.

Why don't you ask one of your mentors who is a college official if he is lazy? Why don't you send an email to the official in question and ask him why he doesn't use it? Why ask random folks who had nothing to do with that official or that game?

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You seem stuck.
The OP wasn't about one official, though now that you're stuck on it; I think I see how you got that from the OP.
The OP was about closely guarded five seconds and my question was; is the new rule perhaps to blame for this blatant overlooking of the obvious. Now, you may feel like this is an insult to the game officials... wasn't m intent!
I'm sure these are excellent officials and I can't imagine why they aren't counting?
BTW: I started the post off by saying I worked college on Saturday. I watch other officials to learn and happen to see this - figured it'd make for a good discussion... didn't know you'd read it as an indictment on every official that works college?

Billy, we (NCAAW) were three feet/holding anywhere on the court for a few seasons until 2013-14. The rules committee changed to six feet/frontcourt only that season and gave the following rationale:

The biggest reason I don't use the "not closely guarded signal"? I am 64 years old and it takes energy to have to hold my arms out and that is energy that I can use to "run" up and down the court, :p.

MTD, Sr.

A couple things. I said that Jet's post was clear. It was. He knows women's rules. He spoke on the topic he has made it very clear he knows and does on a regular basis. I never disagreed with his post or said he was wrong or said my post was right either. Actually I did not even see his post when I responded to you the first time. I never even suggested I was right. I said what I knew the rule to be and Jet made is position very clear. I said nothing and basically have been ignoring you because you tend to major in the minors a lot on this site and seemingly in your officiating, so I left it alone. If you do not trust Jet on his knowledge of women's basketball, then you really have not been paying attention to his posts for some time now. He often is spot on with what is going on at that level from what supervisors say and what that level focuses on. I work Men's college and usually my games are after the women's games. I tend to not watch them often as I am worried about my games, I know those rules and have to adjudicate those rules on the men's side. I know of many of the differences, but not all of them. That is why I said to you, Jet's post was clear. But as usual that was not good enough for you as usual. I am surprised you did post a silly picture that you found on the internet when you can not only look up these rules on the NCAA website, but you can look in the back of your own rulebook and see the differences. If everything has to be spelled out for you, well then that is why many other questions you have never get answered.

Peace

Direct Opposition ...
 

Disagreed? Literally, true. Wrong? Literally, true. Those words were never posted.

This post (above) was in direct opposition to JetMetFan's post.

One post was in error. Maybe it should have been acknowledged by the poster as being incorrect, once said poster realized that he was wrong. That's what I, and many other Forum members would have done.

The Forum ...
 

True, but I've also got a great resource here on the Forum, often getting a reliable answer in a matter of minutes.

I initially believed JRutledge's post (three feet) to be true because we use three feet for girls prep school games here in Connecticut.

What is your point? JMF is an NCAA Women's official; you should know that by now and you should know his rules citation for women is more reliable than Jeff's. Why should anything else matter? If you read conflicting information here, then do your own due diligence instead of relying on other people to do it for you.

As usual you are focused on the most unimportant part of the conversation.

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This thread has so many examples of the worst in Internet message boards. OP, you clearly attempted to indict most or all college officials for ignoring a rule with a single example of the rule being ignored. The plural of anecdote is not data. You offended several of the college officials who frequent this board.

Then another longtime member was wrong about something". No big deal and no shame on him; it was from a rule set he doesn't use because he doesn't work women's college basketball. Rather than own it, he attempts several times to obfuscate it. Just own it and move on.

Here's all we needed to respond to the OP: Yes, this play needed a count, and the official erred in not doing so. It's possible his assigner doesn't want that called. No, this one example doesn't mean this is being widely ignored and several experienced members have assured you that they don't see it being ignored. Next time, don't try to paint with such a broad brush unless you can back it up.

We've got a great community here with so much experience and many levels. I hate when these discussions devolve into something like this.

Well stated. Many of our originally posted questions get off on wild tangent.


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Funny you did not seem to read the post that said that Jet's post was clear and Jet is knowledgeable about women's college ball. And as stated again, you can find the dumbest references to other things but cannot look in the back of the rulebook on page 75 (2015-2016 Major Basketball Rules Differences) that states the difference, but you act ignit like you need our information on this site to know the answer. Actually the NF Rulebook only references women's basketball and does not even reference Men's rules on this issue as the closely guarded rule changed in Men's basketball.

But hey, you major in the minors. How about acknowledging you do not know how to look up this information? No, please don't because I honestly do not care what you say on the matter or admit. You are doing what you typically do.

Peace

can't we all just get along?!?!?!