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[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If he's not back in time, the 15 second warning is irrelevant.

Agreed. This is a directed replacement. I'm giving the full 60 seconds.

[just another ref]

All things considered, I think visual is still the most important word. If their circle was tight enough that you saw nothing when apparently you were standing there trying to see something, I say give them an A for effort and play on.

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by Adam

Agreed. This is a directed replacement. I'm giving the full 60 seconds.

The replacement interval is only 20 seconds and is not increased to 60 seconds by calling a time out. If a time out is called for the purpose of keeping a player in the game, it must be called prior to the replacement interval (3.3.6-7 Note 2). Once the replacement interval begins the player must be replaced. If a timeout is used, the rules of a timeout take effect and require a substitute be at the table at the 15 second warning. In reality I'm not going to throw a fit if a sub isn't at the table by the warning buzzer when a coach uses a timeout to try to keep a player in the game and ultimately determines the kid isn't ready at the end of the timeout (whether in the situation we're discussing or if it were an injury). I am, however, going to mention the requirement to the coach when granting the timeout in an attempted to expedite resuming play. Again, I'm not going to go nuts over the situation in real life, but the warning buzzer is applicable when returning from a timeout.

In other news, the voting breaks down as follows:
Can't see it, can't call it: 1
Call the technical foul: 0

Write in votes
Shame on the official for not being more forceful in preventing the situation: 1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

The replacement interval is only 20 seconds and is not increased to 60 seconds by calling a time out. If a time out is called for the purpose of keeping a player in the game, it must be called prior to the replacement interval (3.3.6-7 Note 2). Once the replacement interval begins the player must be replaced. If a timeout is used, the rules of a timeout take effect and require a substitute be at the table at the 15 second warning. In reality I'm not going to throw a fit if a sub isn't at the table by the warning buzzer when a coach uses a timeout to try to keep a player in the game and ultimately determines the kid isn't ready at the end of the timeout (whether in the situation we're discussing or if it were an injury). I am, however, going to mention the requirement to the coach when granting the timeout in an attempted to expedite resuming play. Again, I'm not going to go nuts over the situation in real life, but the warning buzzer is applicable when returning from a timeout.

I think this may be a hole in the rule.

If the coach doesn't get the sub there in time, the normal process is to make the sub wait. Since we have injured (or blood-soaked) player that requires a sub if the player is not ready by the end of the timeout, there's really no way to enforce the 15 second requirement.

Since two rules seem to contradict one another, we have to choose.

If the player isn't ready to go after the TO, now we give the coach 20 seconds to replace the player.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think this may be a hole in the rule.

If the coach doesn't get the sub there in time, the normal process is to make the sub wait. Since we have injured (or blood-soaked) player that requires a sub if the player is not ready by the end of the timeout, there's really no way to enforce the 15 second requirement.

Since two rules seem to contradict one another, we have to choose.

If the player isn't ready to go after the TO, now we give the coach 20 seconds to replace the player.

Agree.

[BoomerSooner]

And hence why I commented that I wouldn't throw a fit in that situation, but I am going to say something to the coach to try to move the game along. It is merely an attempt to hurry the game along that is supported by rule, albeit difficulty to enforce or penalize in actual practice.

I disagree that moving the 20 second replacement period to after a timeout is supported by rule, but it wouldn't drive me crazy enough to say anything if a partner allowed it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

And hence why I commented that I wouldn't throw a fit in that situation, but I am going to say something to the coach to try to move the game along. It is merely an attempt to hurry the game along that is supported by rule, albeit difficulty to enforce or penalize in actual practice.

I disagree that moving the 20 second replacement period to after a timeout is supported by rule, but it wouldn't drive me crazy enough to say anything if a partner allowed it.

So after the timeout, the player is now directed to leave the game. How do you enforce any sort of time limit to keep the coach from dawdling?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

The replacement interval is only 20 seconds and is not increased to 60 seconds by calling a time out. If a time out is called for the purpose of keeping a player in the game, it must be called prior to the replacement interval (3.3.6-7 Note 2). Once the replacement interval begins the player must be replaced. If a timeout is used, the rules of a timeout take effect and require a substitute be at the table at the 15 second warning. In reality I'm not going to throw a fit if a sub isn't at the table by the warning buzzer when a coach uses a timeout to try to keep a player in the game and ultimately determines the kid isn't ready at the end of the timeout (whether in the situation we're discussing or if it were an injury). I am, however, going to mention the requirement to the coach when granting the timeout in an attempted to expedite resuming play. Again, I'm not going to go nuts over the situation in real life, but the warning buzzer is applicable when returning from a timeout.

Actually, you aren't doing this properly. The team gets the full 60 seconds to attempt to remedy the situation, if it requests a full time-out. If the player is still unable to continue and the team does not wish to take another time-out, it now receives 20 seconds to replace the player. The sub only needs to report prior to the horn at the end of this 20 second interval.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

The replacement interval is only 20 seconds and is not increased to 60 seconds by calling a time out. If a time out is called for the purpose of keeping a player in the game, it must be called prior to the replacement interval (3.3.6-7 Note 2).

Maybe I misread, was it not? Once you've told the coach that there is blood on the jersey, he should be able to request and be granted a timeout before the replacement interval begins.

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

I disagree that moving the 20 second replacement period to after a timeout is supported by rule, but it wouldn't drive me crazy enough to say anything if a partner allowed it.

I would agree with this on a 5th foul for sure, but as long as the request is made before you've started the 20 second clock, the interval should be moved to the end of the timeout (or made irrelevant by the situation being remedied.)