The Name Game (Shirley Ellis, 1964) ...

[BillyMac]

More names in the score book than there are players warming up due to injury, illness, etc.

Is it necessary to erase the extra names?

4-34-4: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

We were always taught that it was better to have more names in the book than those warming up rather than fewer names in the book than those warming up.

Tonight, my partner, the referee, insisted that the extra names be erased. He was the referee, so I just let him do his thing. I've never had anyone insist on this before. Was he right, or wrong?

[JRutledge]

I would rather have more than fewer. If something happens and a kid has to play, at least he is in the book.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would rather have more than fewer. If something happens and a kid has to play, at least he is in the book.

What if he's on the bench but not in uniform? What if he's not even at the site?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What if he's on the bench but not in uniform? What if he's not even at the site?

What does it matter? Maybe the player forgot his uniform and coach doesn't plan to use the player until the 2nd half when his mom brings it.

There is no justification for erasing names from the book. The coach can list all individuals he/she wants.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would rather have more than fewer. If something happens and a kid has to play, at least he is in the book.

Peace

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What if he's on the bench but not in uniform? What if he's not even at the site?

Who care if he/she is on the bench but not in uniform or if he/she is or is not at the site? Maybe the player is not expected to play until the second half or will not arrive at the site until half time.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What if he's on the bench but not in uniform? What if he's not even at the site?

Why would I care?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why would I care?

The answer to your question depends on whether you believe my partner was right, or wrong, to erase the extra names.

Wrong? You shouldn't care.

Right? You should care because (maybe) it's a rule that may be complicated by kids on the bench in uniform that can't play (injury, illness, discipline, grades, etc.), kids not in uniform on the bench, or kids not at the site at all, maybe on their way, maybe not.

4-34-4: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

To me personally, the more names the better, but something made my veteran partner have those names erased tonight. I'd like to know if he was right, or wrong, and why.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The answer to your question depends on whether you believe my partner was right, or wrong, to erase the extra names.

Wrong? You shouldn't care.

Right? You should care because (maybe) it's a rule that may be complicated by kids on the bench in uniform that can't play (injury, illness, discipline, grades, etc.), kids not in uniform on the bench, or kids not at the site at all, maybe on their way, maybe not.

4-34-4: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

To me personally, the more names the better, but something made my veteran partner have those names erased tonight. I'd like to know if he was right, or wrong, and why.

Again, why would I care? I do not care who is or is not in the book. And I am certainly not going to tell any team they need to erase a name for any reason. I always check the book with the head coach and I never ask them to cross off names even when they know that a specific kid is going to play.

And I do not care because there is nothing in the rule that requires the people sitting on the bench to be accounted for. The only way I would even think to care is if I am working the State Finals and they want us to verify this information as they have a limit as to who can be on the bench, but that is beyond my pay grade.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

More names in the score book than there are players warming up due to injury, illness, etc.

Is it necessary to erase the extra names?

4-34-4: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

We were always taught that it was better to have more names in the book than those warming up rather than fewer names in the book than those warming up.

Tonight, my partner, the referee, insisted that the extra names be erased. He was the referee, so I just let him do his thing. I've never had anyone insist on this before. Was he right, or wrong?

Your partner was the definition of OOO here. This is nothing. You don't know if A45 is running late. By forcing them to erase names, you'd be creating an unfair technical foul later.

He's reading way too much into the rule.

Where is the rule that restricts who a coach may list on the roster?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Where is the rule that restricts who a coach may list on the roster?

10-1-1: A team shall not: Fail to supply the scorer with the name and number of each team
member who may participate and designate the five starting players at least 10
minutes before the scheduled starting time.

4-34-4: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

4-34-2: Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with
a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and
statistician(s). During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel for
the purpose of penalizing unsporting behavior.

[Raymond]

No one I work for cares who was dressed and when, just be in the book if you do play. And I have worked college games where we've T'd for players being entered into book after the game started and for an incorrect number.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

10-1-1: A team shall not: Fail to supply the scorer with the name and number of each team
member who may participate and designate the five starting players at least 10
minutes before the scheduled starting time.

4-34-4: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

4-34-2: Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with
a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and
statistician(s). During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel for
the purpose of penalizing unsporting behavior.

Nothing in those definitions says they have to be present.

[Dad]

Your partner was probably grumpy. I'd be grumpy having to do 2-man.

I have my first 2-man game of the year tomorrow and I have no idea what to do!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dad

Your partner was probably grumpy. I'd be grumpy having to do 2-man.

I have my first 2-man game of the year tomorrow and I have no idea what to do!!!

Run!