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Adam Sun Jan 24, 2016 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 977831)
As long as you have started the 10 second count, the ball is at the disposal. What if the free throwing team stays in the huddle of a TO? The official will perform a 'resumption of play' procedure and place the ball on the free throw line.
I'm just saying......

And in the context of the OP, there would be no PC or TC in that case.

Adam Sun Jan 24, 2016 02:24pm

Nevadaref is saying this would have been a violation based on NFHS interpretation. I'm not sure where the interp is, or when it was issued, but I'm willing to be convinced.

BillyMac Sun Jan 24, 2016 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977833)
Nevadaref is saying this would have been a violation based on NFHS interpretation. I'm not sure where the interp is, or when it was issued, but I'm willing to be convinced.

And I'm sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for his citation.

bob jenkins Sun Jan 24, 2016 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977832)
And in the context of the OP, there would be no PC or TC in that case.

Interesting (?) that "disposal" creates TC during a throw-in, but not during a FT.

Oversight or intentional?

Adam Sun Jan 24, 2016 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 977838)
Interesting (?) that "disposal" creates TC during a throw-in, but not during a FT.

Oversight or intentional?

Possibly because "disposal" on a FT is going to lead to either a timeout or a violation?

Nevadaref Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:33am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977833)
Nevadaref is saying this would have been a violation based on NFHS interpretation. I'm not sure where the interp is, or when it was issued, but I'm willing to be convinced.

I recall the NFHS including something about contact between opponents in marked lane spaces being illegal in a recent POE. I and several others disagreed that any contact at all was illegal, but that is what the POE said. I thought that there was some equating of this "foul" to a violation too by the NFHS. Now I'll have to check and see what I can unearth.

billyu2 Mon Jan 25, 2016 07:26am

NFHS PreSeason Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 977944)
I recall the NFHS including something about contact between opponents in marked lane spaces being illegal in a recent POE. I and several others disagreed that any contact at all was illegal, but that is what the POE said. I thought that there was some equating of this "foul" to a violation too by the NFHS. Now I'll have to check and see what I can unearth.

Nevada,
You might be referring to the NFHS 2013-15 Pre-Season Guide// Three-Person Mechanics. On page 4 there is a short article about using "preventive officiating to avoid potentially ugly situations during free throws. Keep player's hands off each other and know where you need to be looking to catch potential violations." Below that is a picture showing a "plane" between opponents along the lane with the caption, "Imagine a plane between hashmarks on the lane. Keeping an eye on illegal action on the lane lines can help clean up potentially ugly situations."
Although they did use the word "violations" I don't believe the interpretation in the picture meant reaching through the plane is a violation. I believe the POE was to clean up the unnecessary hand-to-hand contact that often occurs in order to avoid uglier situations.

Dad Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 977796)
And part g. of 9-1-3 says "a player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of the lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by the lane-space marks."

This is called just about never.

Camron Rust Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:34pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 977796)
And part g. of 9-1-3 says "a player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of the lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by the lane-space marks."

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 977977)
This is called just about never.

Really? That is pretty much the basic FT violation. I see it called.

Dad Mon Jan 25, 2016 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 977980)
Really? That is pretty much the basic FT violation. I see it called.

My bad. Around here it is just about never called. F/JV/V1A-3A you're lucky to see it called 1/10 times it happens. I'm not entirely sure why, but I just always pregame it so it doesn't happen.

Smitty Mon Jan 25, 2016 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 977988)
My bad. Around here it is just about never called. F/JV/V1A-3A you're lucky to see it called 1/10 times it happens. I'm not entirely sure why, but I just always pregame it so it doesn't happen.

How in the world do you prevent a free throw violation from being called in your pregame?

Dad Mon Jan 25, 2016 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 977991)
How in the world do you prevent a free throw violation from being called in your pregame?

Other way around. I pregame we call it based on rule. The officials I work with, on average, are probably in their late 40s early 50s. Not sure if this is a reason or not.

Camron Rust Mon Jan 25, 2016 02:38pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 977988)
My bad. Around here it is just about never called. F/JV/V1A-3A you're lucky to see it called 1/10 times it happens. I'm not entirely sure why, but I just always pregame it so it doesn't happen.

Are you saying you pregame not calling what is, by rule, a violation?

Dad Mon Jan 25, 2016 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 978007)
Are you saying you pregame not calling what is, by rule, a violation?

I pregame calling it.

BillyMac Mon Jan 25, 2016 04:34pm

Girls, Can't Live With Them, Can't Live Without Them ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 977980)
Really? That is pretty much the basic FT violation. I see it called.

I've seldom called it, but I warn them to prevent a violation if I think it's going to be a problem. I don't know why it's a gender issue, but girls always want to lift the heel of their shoe over the mark on the lane line. It's never boys. It must have something to do with having two X chromosomes.


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