Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 976757)

This play is very simple to adjudicate. It is only worth 2 points at any level. If you need proof, keep reading.


A.R. 103. A ball passed from behind the three-point line: 1� Enters the basket from above and passes through; 2� Is deflected and enters the basket from above and passes through; or 3� Strikes the side of the ring or the flange� RULING 1: A three-point goal shall be counted. 2: When there is no possibility of the ball entering the basket from above and the deflection causes the goal to be successful, it shall be a two-point goal. However, when a ball is passed in the direction of the basket with the possibility of entering the basket from above and the deflection does not influence its success, a three-point goal shall be counted. 3: The ball shall remain live. In each case, when a passed ball hits the ring and does not enter the basket, there is no reset of the shot clock. (Rule 5-1.1, 5-1.2.a, 5-1.3 and .4, 4-24 and 2-11.6.d)

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 976757)

This play is very simple to adjudicate. It is only worth 2 points at any level. If you need proof, keep reading.


A.R. 103. A ball passed from behind the three-point line: 1� Enters the basket from above and passes through; 2� Is deflected and enters the basket from above and passes through; or 3� Strikes the side of the ring or the flange� RULING 1: A three-point goal shall be counted. 2: When there is no possibility of the ball entering the basket from above and the deflection causes the goal to be successful, it shall be a two-point goal. However, when a ball is passed in the direction of the basket with the possibility of entering the basket from above and the deflection does not influence its success, a three-point goal shall be counted. 3: The ball shall remain live. In each case, when a passed ball hits the ring and does not enter the basket, there is no reset of the shot clock. (Rule 5-1.1, 5-1.2.a, 5-1.3 and .4, 4-24 and 2-11.6.d)

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 976764)

I agree with the conclusion (bob's guidelines are great), but I disagree that an NCAA A.R. constitutes proof of how it should be ruled at any level except NCAA.

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 976789)

All of the necessary definitions and rules are identical. No reason not to apply the NCAA A.R. to NFHS contests.

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 976747)

Because a three-point try ends when it's obviously short. If it were a pass cross court it's obviously short and going the wrong way.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 976817)

In this specific case the NCAA ruling matches that of the NFHS. However, your general claim that it is okay to apply rulings of one governing authority to games conducted under another is preposterous. That will only lead to problems.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 976819)

I originally read this like it was an alley-opp type pass. If that is not what the OP meant, I agree it would only be a 2 point shot. And I do not have a good answer if it is not. I just know that they said that a shot/pass that was behind the 3 point line and goes in was to be treated like a shot and counts as a 3. They used to allow us to make a judgment either way.

Peace

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 976829)

I'm trying to imagine an alley-oop that goes from wing to wing across the free-throw line. LOL

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 976838)

You have never seen a corner to corner pass?

Peace

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 976829)

I'm trying to imagine an alley-oop that goes from wing to wing across the free-throw line. LOL

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 976843)

I'm sure you can't even imagine it. Wing to wing with a defensive player hitting the ball at FT line was the play.

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 976827)

Where exactly did I say that it is okay to apply all of the rulings of one governing authority to games conducted under another? Both of the posts I made in this thread were specific to the situation presented in the OP. Again, as I said previously, all of the relevant definitions and rules regarding the OP are identical in both NCAA-M and NFHS, therefore, there is no reason not to use the AR I posted to determine the correct adjudication of this play in either NCAA or NFHS games.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 976849)

What you want to do would be the same as a judge applying the law in Michigan to a case in Ohio. While the subject matter may be the same, it just doesn't pertain.