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JRutledge Sun Jan 10, 2016 08:11pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 976029)
I figured instead of arguing with you I'd use the Google. Figured something would be released by now.

I was not arguing, just asking for further information. You did not provide it in the first place so it drew further questions from me at least. I had been asking these same questions in multiple settings. This year has been one that we have gotten multiple memos about rules or changing interpretations. I am careful to suggest something is done wrong when the powers that be have the final say in these cases.

Peace

SCalScoreKeeper Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:28pm

Anyone who assigns-is this about what you figured the punishment to be for this crew?

Rich Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:39pm

As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.

JRutledge Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:07pm

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 976041)
Anyone who assigns-is this about what you figured the punishment to be for this crew?

College is very different. College there is a little more accountability than high school level. You screw up a rule, more things happen to your schedule.

Peace

AremRed Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 976043)
As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.

You wouldn't punish a crew at all? Wouldn't that even include this situation?

Rich Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:22pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 976045)
You wouldn't punish a crew at all? Wouldn't that even include this situation?

Nope. I'd educate, remediate, send clarifications to those I do assign. But I don't "punish" anyone who's getting $60 a game to work HS basketball for screwing up a rule or missing a call.

Subsequent assigning might depend on how well they accept the fact that they screwed up, however.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 976028)
Now we know.

Yep, we know that you were wrong.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:36pm

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 976041)
Anyone who assigns-is this about what you figured the punishment to be for this crew?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 976043)
As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.

At the HS level, I would have gone 3 games and no postseason.

Rich Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:43pm

Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.

JRutledge Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 976047)
Yep, we know that you were wrong.

What was I wrong about? I asked a question about the situation.

I work for a conference that wanted us to apply a rule differently than what was in rulebook because the conference determined that applying the actual rule would cause a problem.

And no one knew what took place in this case until I asked. That is the reason you ask questions.

But hey, you talk about many things on here you do not know the local or interpretations. Do you want me to point them out when they happen? You know all these uniform rules that the NF has, my state does not enforce them because of years of problems.

Peace

JRutledge Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:47pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 976048)
At the HS level, I would have gone 3 games and no postseason.

And then you just put this on a platter. ;)

Peace

JetMetFan Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:39am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 976023)
The clock expired. How can a throw-in be interfered with?

And...because the clock expired, everyone thought the game was over.



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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 976029)
I figured instead of arguing with you I'd use the Google. Figured something would be released by now.

+1

JetMetFan Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:42am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 976049)
Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.

As JRut said, college is different. The 3 on this game weren't out to screw over the teams either but we're all warned/cautioned/whatever by our supervisors that messing up a call is one thing, kicking a rule is a totally different animal. Kicking a rule will lead to stiff consequences.

Rich Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:43am

And I don't disagree with that. As you said, college is different.

JetMetFan Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:47am

Another factor mentioned to me by an official not on the Forum is this was a conference game. That official said maybe they might not get dinged quite so hard in a non-conference game because it only affects RPI (again, he said "maybe"). Conference games may affect whether you even get to the NCAA tournament - especially in D2 and D3 - because every school may not make the conference tournament.


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