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OKREF Thu Dec 24, 2015 09:56pm
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Originally Posted by xyrph (Post 974028)
This is not what you are seeing, if you are referring to her little jump and clap. At that instant she is celebrating because the ref just called the foul on white.

You can confirm this by watching the reaction of the the white team's coach. When he first hears the whistle he looks at the ref an cannot believe that the call was against his team.

Much later on after the ref meeting Black 4 is informed it is her foul and fifth and she does not have any display at that point that I can see or hear.
Instead of posting these cryptic posts, would you please post what happened so we can make informed statements.

crosscountry55 Thu Dec 24, 2015 09:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by xyrph (Post 974028)
This is not what you are seeing, if you are referring to her little jump and clap. At that instant she is celebrating because the ref just called the foul on white.

You can confirm this by watching the reaction of the the white team's coach. When he first hears the whistle he looks at the ref an cannot believe that the call was against his team.

Much later on after the ref meeting Black 4 is informed it is her foul and fifth and she does not have any display at that point that I can see or hear.
You know I thought that might be what happened, but went off of others' impressions that it was a negative reaction. That's what I get for being a lemming....:rolleyes:

BigCat Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by xyrph (Post 974028)
This is not what you are seeing, if you are referring to her little jump and clap. At that instant she is celebrating because the ref just called the foul on white.

You can confirm this by watching the reaction of the the white team's coach. When he first hears the whistle he looks at the ref and cannot believe that the call was against his team.

Much later on after the ref meeting, Black 4 is informed it is her foul and fifth and she does not have any display at that point that I can see or hear.
here is what I see. Ref blows whistle and points wrong direction. 4 is happy, white coach unhappy. Ref points at 4 almost immediately. I think the call was on 4 the entire time. He just pointed wrong direction.

MechanicGuy Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:30am
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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 974032)
here is what I see. Ref blows whistle and points wrong direction. 4 is happy, white coach unhappy. Ref points at 4 almost immediately. I think the call was on 4 the entire time. He just pointed wrong direction.
Yup. Happens.

Lead just came in to clarify.

BigCat Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:35am
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Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 974053)
Yup. Happens.

Lead just came in to clarify.
The big fellow needs a lot more bounce in his step. Like to see a lot more effort...

Adam Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:38am
Looks like an inexperienced official who doesn't communicate well. The L does a good job of stopping to make sure everything is going the right direction. Not sure where the T is going after he makes the call, though. He's in a hurry when he reports, and he's on his way towards black coach before they even get their hands at the table.

RedAndWhiteRef Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:54am
That is some rather nonchalant foul reporting

Dad Fri Dec 25, 2015 01:55am
T initially calls it on white.

Points and reports foul on black.

Table is holding up for 5th foul

L is confused as to what's going on?

I would be confused if I were his partner.

JetMetFan Fri Dec 25, 2015 02:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by xyrph (Post 974028)
This is not what you are seeing, if you are referring to her little jump and clap. At that instant she is celebrating because the ref just called the foul on white.

You can confirm this by watching the reaction of the the white team's coach. When he first hears the whistle he looks at the ref and cannot believe that the call was against his team.

Much later on after the ref meeting, Black 4 is informed it is her foul and fifth and she does not have any display at that point that I can see or hear.
That's what I'm seeing as well. The T's mechanics are nonexistent so given what he did (i.e., point the other way) it makes sense #4 Black was happy.

Frankly, I'd like to see what sort of rating the T received for the game. That play alone would've done him in as far as I'm concerned.

AremRed Fri Dec 25, 2015 03:19am
If I call that foul on B4 and she waves her arms at me like that then I'm probabaly whacking her. The key for me is whether she is looking at me or not. If yes, she is probably showing me up. If no, probably mad at herself. I am way more likely to give a coach a moment to react and calm down, players don't get as much rope.

AremRed Fri Dec 25, 2015 03:21am
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 974029)
Instead of posting these cryptic posts, would you please post what happened so we can make informed statements.
What about that is cryptic? Seems like a decent analysis of the situation.

rlarry Fri Dec 25, 2015 06:12am
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 974065)
If I call that foul on B4 and she waves her arms at me like that then I'm probabaly whacking her. The key for me is whether she is looking at me or not. If yes, she is probably showing me up. If no, probably mad at herself. I am way more likely to give a coach a moment to react and calm down, players don't get as much rope.
I usually don't post, just lurk around. I had to respond to this. What did 4 do that would even remotely deserve a T? She clapped when she thought the foul was on white. When it went against her, she walked off the floor. Why would you give a coach a moment to react and calm down, but not a player? A coach is an adult who should be setting an example for his team. A player is a kid who is involved physically and emotionally in the game. Not being critical, really curious on your reasoning.

Dad Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:02am
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Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 974070)
I usually don't post, just lurk around. I had to respond to this. What did 4 do that would even remotely deserve a T? She clapped when she thought the foul was on white. When it went against her, she walked off the floor. Why would you give a coach a moment to react and calm down, but not a player? A coach is an adult who should be setting an example for his team. A player is a kid who is involved physically and emotionally in the game. Not being critical, really curious on your reasoning.
Thinking the same thing. A tech never even went through my head when I saw the reaction.

Raymond Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:57am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 974025)
Unless there's some verbal (I watched it without sound), then there's nothing even close to a T as far as I can tell.

To the OP -- are you one of the officials on this game? This is three or four posts of video from what seems to be the same game.
Pretty sure his daughter is in this game...possibly #4.

As to the play, the Lead is getting hIs partner pointed back in the right direction, he is not over ruling him.

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Raymond Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:00am
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 974065)
If I call that foul on B4 and she waves her arms at me like that then I'm probabaly whacking her. The key for me is whether she is looking at me or not. If yes, she is probably showing me up. If no, probably mad at herself. I am way more likely to give a coach a moment to react and calm down, players don't get as much rope.
Quit looking for T's, they'll come to you. Her reaction was celebratory as she thought the foul was on the offense.

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