Redux

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

And to any new refs- on the push/over the back call.

There's no such call as "over the back".

[Adam]

I was on the fence between locking it and deleting it.

If you want to rant about the quality of officiating in general, find somewhere else.

If you want to break down a specific call (or calls) and question why it was made, go for it. Many here may even agree with your opinion and acknowledge the ref may have gotten it wrong on the court.

Just keep in mind the folks answering your questions have actually called a lot of basketball games and can tell the difference between incidental contact and a foul. We used to think highly of Bilas. He does a great job understanding the rules, even if he doesn't seem to have a clue on how to enforce them.

Now, I've spent way too much time taking an unserious post too seriously.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Adam

I was on the fence between locking it and deleting it.

If you want to rant about the quality of officiating in general, find somewhere else.

If you want to break down a specific call (or calls) and question why it was made, go for it. Many here may even agree with your opinion and acknowledge the ref may have gotten it wrong on the court.

Just keep in mind the folks answering your questions have actually called a lot of basketball games and can tell the difference between incidental contact and a foul. We used to think highly of Bilas. He does a great job understanding the rules, even if he doesn't seem to have a clue on how to enforce them.

Now, I've spent way too much time taking an unserious post too seriously.

If mutant posts a video or scenario, I generally don't even have to watch it. I already know who is correct and who is wrong.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Adam

I was on the fence between locking it and deleting it.

Either option works for me...

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

There's no such call as "over the back".

Sure there is, it's just not a rule book term.

[Jay R]

Read your post until you said "Come on, that was ticky tack". I stopped reading. Anyone who reacts that way is not an official and is a fan. Nothing wrong with being a fan. But I come here to listen to officials, share with officials, debate with officials. Get that point.

It doesn't make you a bad person and it doesn't mean that you were not correct. Some of my fouls are "ticky tack", I use the term marginal. Discussing officiating with fans is like trying to convince a gun owner that gun control is needed. You ain't gonna change their minds.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

When a coach says "that was a ticky-tack foul" I reply with "So we agree that it was a foul? Good".

[Nevadaref]

Anyone else notice in the quickly closed thread inquiring about when the clock should stop on a made goal that was started by this same OP under another username which resulted in his banning that the poster lacks knowledge of something so basic (the proper clock stoppage), yet feels fully qualified to judge what contact the D1 officials should deem a foul?

To quote a previous, prolific poster on this forum, "Lah, me."

Dude, you weren't banned on a whim. Your original thread lacked focus and came across as you complaining as a fan -- not trying to learn from the situation which is the very purpose of this forum. Then, when an admin decided to close your thread you decided that you were not done and opened a new thread to continue what you had started.

I dunno about you, but that seems pretty disrespectful to the person who closed your thread. He basically stop-signed you "no more" and then you ran right through it. Of course you're gonna get banned for not heeding the warning. And then you decided to circumvent the ban by creating a new account -- which is again disrespectful to the person who banned you. As someone who has been banned for doing that very thing, you should have taken your punishment like a man and sat out a while.

Instead you had to get your point across and kept setting yourself up for the mods to take action. You said you got banned for a week, maybe that was a little long for the offense but that's their judgement. And maybe you didn't know creating a new account to avoid a ban is a permanent offense -- the rules aren't exactly super clearly posted somewhere. Regardless, at each turn you had opportunity to stop. You failed to check yourself and eventually wrecked yourself. Sorry dude.

[jpgc99]

good riddance. I don't recall ever reading a beneficial post from this user. The forum will be a better place with him gone.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

There's no such call as "over the back".

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sure there is, it's just not a rule book term.

Sadly, I'v heard it verbalized and seen it signaled in a HS tournament JV game in the last month . . . that game was a bit of an adventure in refereeing . . .

(Yes, I'm a realist and know that most of the JV refs are either newish and trying to learn to work their way up or the folk who don't care enough to work their way up . . I *really* prefer the former, even when they are missing calls . . .)

[Dad]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Sadly, I'v heard it verbalized and seen it signaled in a HS tournament JV game in the last month . . . that game was a bit of an adventure in refereeing . . .

(Yes, I'm a realist and know that most of the JV refs are either newish and trying to learn to work their way up or the folk who don't care enough to work their way up . . I *really* prefer the former, even when they are missing calls . . .)

What is the signal for over the back?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Dad

What is the signal for over the back?

[Altor]

The typical "signal" is affectionately known as the "Frankenstein" signal. You won't find it in the book. That was part of lurker's point.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Altor

The typical "signal" is affectionately known as the "Frankenstein" signal. You won't find it in the book. That was part of lurker's point.

Mark Padgett had what I was looking for. I was just curious what signal they tried to make up on the fly.