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BktBallRef Thu Dec 24, 2015 01:53am

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 973888)
This belongs to the T. Seems that he was way to deep, but I do believe it's the T's and not the C's.

Agreed. Not sure why anyone would think the T has the worst view, especially considering there's an L on the floor.

Dad Thu Dec 24, 2015 02:12am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 973890)
Agreed. Not sure why anyone would think the T has the worst view, especially considering there's an L on the floor.

Because look at the middle wire on the rim. Pretty hard to tell if it just barely touches it. As the C, nearly same view as us, has a clear view of whether the ball hit anything it shouldn't have.

T may very well have gone, well maybe it hit something, WHISTLE. Then regretted blowing air.

OKREF Thu Dec 24, 2015 03:33am

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 973893)
Because look at the middle wire on the rim. Pretty hard to tell if it just barely touches it. As the C, nearly same view as us, has a clear view of whether the ball hit anything it shouldn't have.

T may very well have gone, well maybe it hit something, WHISTLE. Then regretted blowing air.

It still belongs to the trail, not the C. Now we can have a discussion about the positioning of the T, but the C has other things to watch, shooter, defense crossing the free throw line, other lane violations, rebounding action. This belongs to the trail.

Danvrapp Thu Dec 24, 2015 08:36am

Yes - I'm well aware the shooter can step over the line once the ball contacts the rim.

Since everyone seems to be thinking that it was whistled (falsely) because it hit the top of the backboard, what I was wondering is if the play was whistled instead (falsely) because she stepped over the line. If we're talking about an official that doesn't know the ball can't hit the top of the backboard, why aren't we considering that the official doesn't know she can't now step over the line?

If you watch the video, she steps over the line and almost immediately the whistle gets blown. Unfortunately, that is approximately the time that the ball contacts the top of the backboard.

Dad Thu Dec 24, 2015 09:39am

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 973898)
It still belongs to the trail, not the C. Now we can have a discussion about the positioning of the T, but the C has other things to watch, shooter, defense crossing the free throw line, other lane violations, rebounding action. This belongs to the trail.

No we don't and you completely missed the point.

Dad Thu Dec 24, 2015 09:44am

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Originally Posted by Danvrapp (Post 973901)
Yes - I'm well aware the shooter can step over the line once the ball contacts the rim.

Since everyone seems to be thinking that it was whistled (falsely) because it hit the top of the backboard, what I was wondering is if the play was whistled instead (falsely) because she stepped over the line. If we're talking about an official that doesn't know the ball can't hit the top of the backboard, why aren't we considering that the official doesn't know she can't now step over the line?

If you watch the video, she steps over the line and almost immediately the whistle gets blown. Unfortunately, that is approximately the time that the ball contacts the top of the backboard.

Legit point. OP said the whistle was blown after it hit the top, but not what the official said/did after it happened. We don't know.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 24, 2015 09:51am

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 973874)
:eek: You realize what you just said is not even remotely true? As soon as the ball hits the rim the shooter can cross the line.

You realize that what you said is also wrong? The shooter can cross the line before the ball hits the ring. (Not in this specific play, but in general.)

BlueDevilRef Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:22am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 973909)
You realize that what you said is also wrong? The shooter can cross the line before the ball hits the ring. (Not in this specific play, but in general.)


Explain that please bob bc I gotta agree with OK here.


I wish I had a cool signature

referee99 Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:34am

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Why can't all clips be so?

bob jenkins Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:41am

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 973916)
Explain that please bob bc I gotta agree with OK here.


I wish I had a cool signature

Ring or backboard or FT ends.

Dad Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:05am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 973923)
Ring or backboard or FT ends.

backboard?

bob jenkins Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:18am

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 973928)
backboard?

I'm confused by your question.

If it's about the word "backboard" see 1-7.

If it's about whether a backboard is included in the rule on when a player not on the lane can enter, see 10-1-3 (a couple of subsections in there).

OKREF Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:30am

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Originally Posted by Danvrapp (Post 973871)
Looks to me like it was blown b/c she stepped over the line long before the ball entered the hoop. It was still bouncin' around on top of the board when she steps over.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 973909)
You realize that what you said is also wrong? The shooter can cross the line before the ball hits the ring. (Not in this specific play, but in general.)

Bob, he's implying that the shooter must wait until the ball goes in the basket before the shooter can enter. In this case the ball clearly hits the ring, so there would be no violation. Yes a shooter may enter when the ball hits the backboard, or the free throw ends, I never said they couldn't. I was only speaking to this particular case.

Dad Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:35am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 973933)
I'm confused by your question.

If it's about the word "backboard" see 1-7.

If it's about whether a backboard is included in the rule on when a player not on the lane can enter, see 10-1-3 (a couple of subsections in there).

No one banks FTs anymore.

And I think you mean 9-1-3

OKREF Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 973944)
No one banks FTs anymore.

And I think you mean 9-1-3

NFHS deleted the words "or backboard" from 9-1-3a. Was in 2015-16 corrections.


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