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deecee Mon Dec 21, 2015 05:02pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 973622)
You let subs in if they check in after the first horn?

If a sub doesn't check in at the table and just comes in the game how the heck would I know. Unless the coach sends in a completely different 5 and I noticed no one went to the table I have no clue. I also have no idea who checks in between quarters, ESPECIALLY if the just walk onto the court at part of the 5 players.

IOW I don't track who is in and who is out. In most cases I notice when a player goes out to keep track of when they can come back in, but even then that is not 100% of the time. We cannot keep track of everything.

But if a player goes to check in AFTER the warning horn then he/she isn't coming in the game, if I notice this. The smart thing would be to not even check in and just enter. 99 out of 100 times no one will be the wiser.

frezer11 Mon Dec 21, 2015 07:47pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 973648)
The smart thing would be to not even check in and just enter. 99 out of 100 times no one will be the wiser.

I've always thought this too. I'm not about to go out and advertise it, but I know in virtually all my games, this probably wouldn't get caught.

OKREF Mon Dec 21, 2015 09:05pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 973648)
If a sub doesn't check in at the table and just comes in the game how the heck would I know. Unless the coach sends in a completely different 5 and I noticed no one went to the table I have no clue. I also have no idea who checks in between quarters, ESPECIALLY if the just walk onto the court at part of the 5 players.

IOW I don't track who is in and who is out. In most cases I notice when a player goes out to keep track of when they can come back in, but even then that is not 100% of the time. We cannot keep track of everything.

But if a player goes to check in AFTER the warning horn then he/she isn't coming in the game, if I notice this. The smart thing would be to not even check in and just enter. 99 out of 100 times no one will be the wiser.

So what are you doing during the time out? Here most games are 2 man mechanics, so the administrating official is at the half court line. It's extremely easy to watch the table during the timeout. Your going to know if someone tried to check in after the first horn, even with 3 man mechanics this can be done. I will agree that if they just come in straight from the bench to floor, it would be much harder to recognize.

deecee Tue Dec 22, 2015 09:40am

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 973663)
So what are you doing during the time out? Here most games are 2 man mechanics, so the administrating official is at the half court line. It's extremely easy to watch the table during the timeout. Your going to know if someone tried to check in after the first horn, even with 3 man mechanics this can be done. I will agree that if they just come in straight from the bench to floor, it would be much harder to recognize.

I would suggest you go back and read all my posts.

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 23, 2015 05:02pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 973590)
Between first and second quarters. First warning horn has sounded. V-6 checks in at the table, and is advised he must wait until the clock has started in the second quarter until being allowed into the game.

Nobody has commented on this part of the post, but are we sure this is right?

Isn't the "clock properly starting" component only relevant when a player is subbed out of the game? In this case, he simply reported after the warning horn. If the period starts without the clock running, can't we then beckon the sub in at the next dead ball?

BigCat Wed Dec 23, 2015 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 973594)

The section you have cited assumes the player has reported before the warning horn. He then doesn't have to be beckoned. When he is late he has to be beckoned at next opportunity. Also, the official put the ball on the floor. That is "at disposal" and ball is live. Quarter starts then even though clock hasn't run.

Scrapper. See above. He has to wait until next opportunity. Clock doesn't have to start. That wasn't the q in the OP. He said the player was advised he had to wait....He very well could have been told that by someone. Wrongly....

bob jenkins Wed Dec 23, 2015 06:38pm

The quarter has to start. The clock doesn't.


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