Head injury

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't think that is what it is saying.. If it IS deemed a concussion, they must wait a day before any clearance is valid. If it is deemed not a concussion, they can return the same day.

That certainly seems to be what it says. As I read it, the plain text of subsection 3 (Sec1.3.a) requires the coach to hold out a player if only one of two conditions exist: signs, symptoms, or behaviors OR a diagnosed concussion. Sec1.3.b then clearly states that, if a players is held out under Sec1.3.a, upon approval of the healthcare professional (HCP), the player may return the next day if no signs, symptoms, or behaviors are present. In this case, both HCP approval AND lack of signs are required.

The only exception is that provided under subsection 4 (Sec1.4), the blanket provision allowing a licensed athletic trainer to make a final and unchallenged determination/diagnosis and same day return. This makes no sense to me - a trainer can return a player the same day but a neurologist can't. Doesn't that seem backwards?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by scrounge

That certainly seems to be what it says. As I read it, the plain text of subsection 3 (Sec1.3.a) requires the coach to hold out a player if only one of two conditions exist: signs, symptoms, or behaviors OR a diagnosed concussion. Sec1.3.b then clearly states that, if a players is held out under Sec1.3.a, upon approval of the healthcare professional (HCP), the player may return the next day if no signs, symptoms, or behaviors are present. In this case, both HCP approval AND lack of signs are required.

The only exception is that provided under subsection 4 (Sec1.4), the blanket provision allowing a licensed athletic trainer to make a final and unchallenged determination/diagnosis and same day return. This makes no sense to me - a trainer can return a player the same day but a neurologist can't. Doesn't that seem backwards?

I think the protocol is that the trainer is the one that will be present, not the neurologist. If the immediate assessment is that it is not a concussion, the player can return. They'll never get to a neurologist before the game ends...but it allows for the trainer to consult with one if there is one available. However, once someone thinks it is a concussion (even the lessor trained trainer), it is treated as a concussion and the player must stay out for a minimum of time.

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think the protocol is that the trainer is the one that will be present, not the neurologist. If the immediate assessment is that it is not a concussion, the player can return. They'll never get to a neurologist before the game ends...but it allows for the trainer to consult with one if there is one available. However, once someone thinks it is a concussion (even the lessor trained trainer), it is treated as a concussion and the player must stay out for a minimum of time.

Where are you getting the minimum amount of time?

Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk

[PAlbc]

No medical professional can clear a player to return same day when they have been determined to have suffered a concussion.

Appropriate medical professionals can evaluate a player and determine no concussion was suffered and thus return them to play that day. This could be an Athletic Trainer or Neurologist or other professional as specified.

Note: Even if concussion was not suspected, symptoms remaining precludes athlete from returning anyway.

I'll say again, the rules/laws are written to ensure that athlete's are removed and properly evaluated. Sometimes that means there is no concussion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SAK

Where are you getting the minimum amount of time?

Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk

It isn't a rule, but a state law. It is mentioned in the statute I linked to above.


Oregon State Law:

(a) A coach may not allow a member of a school athletic team to participate in any athletic event or training on the same day that the member:
(A) Exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion following an observed or suspected blow to the head or body; or
(B) Has been diagnosed with a concussion.
(b) A coach may allow a member of a school athletic team who is prohibited from participating in an athletic event or training, as described in paragraph (a) of this subsection, to participate in an athletic event or training no sooner than the day after the member experienced a blow to the head or body and only after the member:
(A) No longer exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion; and
(B) Receives a medical release form from a health care professional.
(4) A coach may allow a member of a school athletic team to participate in any athletic event or training at any time after an athletic trainer registered by the Board of Athletic Trainers determines that the member has not suffered a concussion. The athletic trainer may, but is not required to, consult with a health care professional in making the determination that the member has not suffered a concussion.

[mutantducky]

this was a good story on concussions, not really related but shows how you should be careful and how there should be strict rules in place.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/14/sp...ocol.html?_r=0