(Video) Legal or Illegal Screen

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Dad

Awesome point.

How come you think it's a screen when he's contorting his body? I would think in that picture he isn't set yet, and if hit, would be illegal. Therefore, I'm saying he isn't even set yet so I wouldn't start counting strides.

Given I'm wrong and we do give him strides here, wouldn't we give the defense more than one step if he is moving quickly?

He may be contorting his body but his feet aren't moving at that point in the video and the next time they do the movement isn't toward the defender. As I said, if the contact took place at the moment in the picture I would rule illegal because the screener wasn't in his vertical plane but that isn't what happened.

The screen itself probably begins a half-second earlier but it would've been harder to represent that point in a still picture. At any rate, the point the opponent gets into the path of the defender is when we start considering strides. As to how many strides, the last two lines of NF 4-40-5 read:

The speed of the player to be screened will determine where the screener may take his/her stationary position. The position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from the opponent.

At most he gets two steps and it's up to the official to determine what's "normal" given the speed of the defender. He definitely had at least two strides to stop or change direction. It's not the screener's fault the defender's teammates don't like him enough to warn him

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree. Why clean up a legal and entirely legitimate play? Blame the defenders team for hanging their teammate out to dry.

Great point. And, this video clearly shows the red player's bench area watching the play and offering no visible assistance. The coach is even looking up court getting ready to make a decision about a half court set - which is what I'd probably expect to be doing.

Edit: Is this a h.s. game? Check out those high falootin' officials wearing NBA shirts. Must be nice.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Easy kind of call to get surprised by. These are the type that are really good to look at once in a while. You just might see it in your next game.

Agree. And in my opinion the trail on this play is in a great position to see the play develop and NOT get surprised. Legal screen all day, FWIW.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Edit: Is this a h.s. game? Check out those high falootin' officials wearing NBA shirts. Must be nice.

There are several areas that wear grey shirts. They actually look nothing like the NBA other than they are not black and white striped.

Peace

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Dad

Awesome point.

How come you think it's a screen when he's contorting his body? I would think in that picture he isn't set yet, and if hit, would be illegal. Therefore, I'm saying he isn't even set yet so I wouldn't start counting strides.

Given I'm wrong and we do give him strides here, wouldn't we give the defense more than one step if he is moving quickly?

Let me take a crack at how this will go...

1. Call an illegal sceen on defender
2. Eventually have to Whack the coach (becasue you've identified you are the Sheriff)
3. Eject the parent

and of course all of this is "for the kids";-)

[Welpe]

Legal and not that close IMO.

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Edit: Is this a h.s. game? Check out those high falootin' officials wearing NBA shirts. Must be nice.

Yes it is. This is a game between two Houston area high schools. Most Texas chapters, at least at the varsity level, wear grey with pinstripes. They don't look like the NBA style shirts either though they do wear NBA style shirts at the state tournament.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by j51969

Let me take a crack at how this will go...

1. Call an illegal sceen on defender
2. Eventually have to Whack the coach (becasue you've identified you are the Sheriff)
3. Eject the parent

and of course all of this is "for the kids";-)

I'm sorry coaches don't respect you and parents want to beat you up.

Sell your calls better.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dad

I'm sorry coaches don't respect you and parents want to beat you up.

Sell your calls better.

Selling calls has nothing to do with whether they agree with your calls. Sorry, you can be completely right and they will still have an opinion of a call. And calling this an illegal screen and a coach disagreeing with you, they would be right and still would go off if they choose to.

Peace

[Blindolbat]

So there are what, 2 people here that think this was illegal? I'm surprised this one came up as questionable.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Selling calls has nothing to do with whether they agree with your calls. Sorry, you can be completely right and they will still have an opinion of a call. And calling this an illegal screen and a coach disagreeing with you, they would be right and still would go off if they choose to.

Peace

I guess I should've colored my text blue.

As far as your response, try selling your calls better. There's a world of difference in responses from coaches/fans when they go, "Oh !@#$, I think he saw something there!"

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Blindolbat

So there are what, 2 people here that think this was illegal? I'm surprised this one came up as questionable.

If you're counting me, I originally said I'm almost never calling this illegal. I left some room for times I'm not aware enough of the screener to know how he got to where he did and if he just jumped in front of the defense.

I did think it was a fun play to take apart and talk about.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

... try selling your calls better.

My former interpreter always said that the best bad call is a strong bad call.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

My former interpreter always said that the best bad call is a strong bad call.

To be fair, if someone routinely makes bad calls, I'm not sure how much hope there is for them!

I more meant along the lines of something like a block/charge situations where the boos are about to start and after I'm done they just give up.

[Rich]

When I see someone *really* sell a call, I immediately assume they didn't see the play or are trying to convince people of an incorrect call.

Too many years of experience to buy what's being sold, I'm afraid.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Legal and not that close IMO.



Yes it is. This is a game between two Houston area high schools. Most Texas chapters, at least at the varsity level, wear grey with pinstripes. They don't look like the NBA style shirts either though they do wear NBA style shirts at the state tournament.

Sweet! Good looking uniforms.