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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 09:28am
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The fact that the handoff didn't occur on this play makes a big difference IMO. I don't see how that ball handler did anything wrong. The defender looks like he tried to fit into a place where he didn't fit and bumped into an active ball handler in the process. Did that ball handler put him in that position? Yes, but isn't that what basketball is about? Trying to get an advantageous position on the defense? Just because a ball handler gets in between a secondary defender and the guy he's supposed to be guarding doesn't give that defender the right to go through that ball handler.
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 09:42am
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The fact that the handoff didn't occur on this play makes a big difference IMO. I don't see how that ball handler did anything wrong. The defender looks like he tried to fit into a place where he didn't fit and bumped into an active ball handler in the process. Did that ball handler put him in that position? Yes, but isn't that what basketball is about? Trying to get an advantageous position on the defense? Just because a ball handler gets in between a secondary defender and the guy he's supposed to be guarding doesn't give that defender the right to go through that ball handler.
It is illegal when the player makes contact and dislodges the opponent. I've watched the video a half dozen times and don't see anyway this would NOT be a foul on the ball handler. The success of the handoff, like I said already, is immaterial to what happened.

Take the ball out of the equation and imagine he is just another player. Now how would you judge the contact?
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 01:53pm
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It is illegal when the player makes contact and dislodges the opponent. I've watched the video a half dozen times and don't see anyway this would NOT be a foul on the ball handler. The success of the handoff, like I said already, is immaterial to what happened.

Take the ball out of the equation and imagine he is just another player. Now how would you judge the contact?
How is there illegality to a specific player when contact occurs 'in the middle', where two players meet as their paths cross?

Doesn't dislodging an opponent infer that the opponent was maintaining a specific spot on the floor, hence not moving?
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 02:15pm
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How is there illegality to a specific player when contact occurs 'in the middle', where two players meet as their paths cross?

Doesn't dislodging an opponent infer that the opponent was maintaining a specific spot on the floor, hence not moving?
Try to see the broader picture. The ball-handler improvised at the end which could be confusing. The play they are trying to stop is a dribbler purposely trying to pick for a shooter. It's a sneaky play that hasn't been called correctly in the past.
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 10:09pm
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I think that's a really good. Dixon certainly could have gotten a T.
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 02:54pm
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How is there illegality to a specific player when contact occurs 'in the middle', where two players meet as their paths cross?

Doesn't dislodging an opponent infer that the opponent was maintaining a specific spot on the floor, hence not moving?
If that's how you see things then you never have an illegal screen in any of your games. A player could be moving and gets shoved therefore dislodging him from his legally obtained path.
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 03:55pm
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How is there illegality to a specific player when contact occurs 'in the middle', where two players meet as their paths cross?

Doesn't dislodging an opponent infer that the opponent was maintaining a specific spot on the floor, hence not moving?

That's why we get paid the big bucks.

Really -- you continue to argue against (almost) all the opinions here. There's a lesson to be learned.
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 04:37pm
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How is there illegality to a specific player when contact occurs 'in the middle', where two players meet as their paths cross?

Doesn't dislodging an opponent infer that the opponent was maintaining a specific spot on the floor, hence not moving?
This is Division 1 basketball, A1 & A2 didn't just randomly take the same course. There was a screen intended by A1. A1 & A2 executed it poorly and A1 decided to hang on to ball and throw up some shot in hopes of fooling the ref. It didn't work. There is a reason the dribble hand-on is in our preseason video and why you see offensive fouls being called more often.

And A1 wasn't dislodged, he threw his shoulder into B2 at the start of his spin. You supposedly have no opinion as to whether the call was correct or not, but all I see is you typing how A1 didn't commit a foul. So you do have an opinion, and it's an opinion in the very miniscule minority.
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 06:03pm
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Excellent call!
Taking this type of dribble hand-off out of basketball is a good thing. That defender was defenseless and either of them could have been injured.
I think all of the rules are to teach the players to begin avoiding more contact rather than "hunting for more contact".

Slight tangent: Did anyone else notice how the WC was trying to grab the ball when its was being tossed to the new T.
Q. What if W-coach had successfully secured that tossed ball before the spot throw-in toward the end of that video - should they whack him?
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 06:47pm
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Slight tangent: Did anyone else notice how the WC was trying to grab the ball when its was being tossed to the new T.
Q. What if W-coach had successfully secured that tossed ball before the spot throw-in toward the end of that video - should they whack him?
I saw that as well, although in my opinion, the coach was simply trying to help catch the ball, hand it right to the official and let the ball be put in play.

If, however, the coach catches that ball, and continues his rant, he definitely deserves to get whacked.
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Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 10:55am
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Excellent call!
Taking this type of dribble hand-off out of basketball is a good thing. That defender was defenseless and either of them could have been injured.
I think all of the rules are to teach the players to begin avoiding more contact rather than "hunting for more contact".

Slight tangent: Did anyone else notice how the WC was trying to grab the ball when its was being tossed to the new T.
Q. What if W-coach had successfully secured that tossed ball before the spot throw-in toward the end of that video - should they whack him?
Never giving coach a tech here unless I at least say, "Coach, ball."
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Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 12:38pm
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The fact that the handoff didn't occur on this play makes a big difference IMO.
Lack of success in executing the play doesn't make it legal.
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lack of success in executing the play doesn't make it legal.
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Lack of success in executing the play doesn't make it legal.
Is there an assumption being made that success equates to the hand-off being made? Maybe success of the play was a fake hand-off?
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