Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970723)

I'm not entirely sold on your ability to read. :confused:

Just out of curiosity....and this is a question for those who know the rules of NCAA and/or NBA, are the rules the same? That is, does doing something that causes someone else to retaliate by fighting result in an ejection?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 970724)

NCAA--yes.
NFHS--yes.

Learned that part of the rule when I first learned the fight rules. It was always emphasized that an unsporting act that precipitates a fight is considered part of a fight. Great incentive for players to not do stupid stuff.

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 970733)

We can debate the merits of the rule all day long,

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970631)

The point I was making is that if the comments are so over the top as you stated, that person is being tossed regardless of the other player's reaction. If the comments aren't vulgar or abusive, that person's ability to stay in the game rests upon his opponent's reaction. Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether that is a proper punishment.

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970734)

In full agreement here

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 970735)

This was your post. ;)



Not a single person said anything about comments being penalized that were not unsporting for fighting, but that is your story right? But I have a reading comprehension problem? Well here are your words, not mine. ;)

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 970736)

There is a difference between arguing what a rule should be and not knowing what the actual rule says. Again, all you have to do is look at your arguments. You did not realize that the rule for instigation was about an unsporting act like taunting or getting in a player's face (baiting). Just doing something that is a normal basketball play or even contact is not apart of this rule. You did not realize that and that is why you are getting called out for not understanding the rule.

Peace

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970738)

I disagree with you. I understand the rule completely. And my argument this entire time has been as to whether the rule was fair or not to someone who does something unsporting that provokes a punch. I've never once said anything that went against the rule.

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970738)

It sounds like most are ok with the way the rule is written, and I can understand that viewpoint. Its makes things black and white and easy to deal with.

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970734)

Well, as it turns out, trying to discuss the merits of the rule turns into accusations of trying to make excuses for unsporting acts haha.

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Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970624)

Ideally, yes. But people aren't robots.

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970616)

I'm not a fan of the way this rule is written either. If A1 pushes B1, A1's fate rests in how B1 reacts....Not a huge fan of that.

The way the rule is written, A2 verbally insulting B2 which results in B2 punching A2 in the face means they both get tossed. Just doesn't feel like the punishment fits the crime.

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970631)

It is pretty simple. And maybe that is why it is written the way it is written. The wording makes it pretty black and white. I don't agree with it.



The point I was making is that if the comments are so over the top as you stated, that person is being tossed regardless of the other player's reaction. If the comments aren't vulgar or abusive, that person's ability to stay in the game rests upon his opponent's reaction. Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether that is a proper punishment.



I refuse to be the person who blindly accepts something without either understanding it or questioning it. The rules should be enforced as they are written, but that shouldn't ever deter someone from trying to discuss the validity or reason for a rule.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 970739)

I did not say anything about agreeing with the rule. I actually do not agree or disagree with the rule at all. The rule written very clearly. But it is not easy to deal with if you do not even understand when an instigator of a fight has taken place.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 970742)

You wish they could keep a player in the game after his unsporting act leads directly to a fight.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 970742)

I don't feel sorry for players who are knuckleheads. Almost every fight in basketball is the result of one player committing an unsporting, flagrant, or intentional act directed towards another player. Players taunt opponents in order to induce a negative reaction. If that negative reaction is violent shove, a punch, or a kick, then too bad for the player who taunted, his butt is gone also.

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 970779)

Could you two please take your squabble to PM or somewhere else...please?

If anyone else would like to weigh in about how they prepare for a fight as a crew, I'd like to get the thread back on track.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 970782)

I pregame to do as much as we can to eliminate conditions that could lead to a fight. #1 on that list is dead ball officiating, #2 is no tolerance for knuckleheads.

Originally Posted by Geof (Post 970738)

I disagree with you. I understand the rule completely. And my argument this entire time has been as to whether the rule was fair or not to someone who does something unsporting that provokes a punch. I've never once said anything that went against the rule.

It sounds like most are ok with the way the rule is written, and I can understand that viewpoint. Its makes things black and white and easy to deal with.