What to worry about -- they don't block out in Jr. High anyway, so this won't come up. :D

Hey now...the girls I coached DID! :D

Now I'm back to 4th graders (step-daughter is playing) and having to teach it all over! :( Man, I miss kids with some BBIQ!

When the NFHS implements two throws for all bonus shots, we won't have to see this as frequently.

FYI, the first shot isn't a bonus, it is just a FT. Only the 2nd shot is the bonus....as a reward for making the first one. When they made it 2 shots on 10 fouls, the 2nd shot was an "automatic" bonus. Many erroneously call it the double bonus, but, technically, that is not accurate.

Of course, despite that, everyone knows what it means and I even use the term because that is the commonly used term for it now, but that still doesn't change the facts of what the words originally meant.

Same...if the contact is enough for a foul, call it a foul.

Thanks for the correction!
Let's still get rid of the "one & one".

Not only should it not be a problem, anybody employing this tactic is displaying a low basketball IQ. B3 and B4 get to enter the lane long before A1 can enter the lane. They would already be in front of A1, and A1 would be responsible for any illegal contact.

I question the intelligence of any coach who tells his/her players to do this.

Don't get rid of the "one and one"!! I would hate to see what the signal would be for "bonus"

It has been suggested to us by our rules guru that should there be contact with the thrower perhaps we should look at it logically. As soon as any part of the defenders body breaks the plane of the FT line a violation has occurred. Unless the contact by the defender is so severe that we would deem it to rise to the level of an intentional foul it is more logical to go with what happened first...the violation. If the throw is missed the thrower gets a replacement throw and if it is made we move on.

Guess how we are going to handle this POE? :D

Ohhhh, the fans and any wreck league won't EVER let "AND1" die...every shot there has to be "AND1" :rolleyes: :D

I get the "do what your assigner says" ;logic -- but your "rules guru" could use some help. ;)

At a recent "rules meeting" woman posed an interesting question: "A1 is shooting the 1st FT of a "one plus"; shot goes in and then B1 boxes out/obvious contact to A1 by B1--ostensibly a reflex type of reaction by B1--since the ball became 'dead' after the FT was made and the block out contact was made afterwards--is that a 'dead ball foul', ergo a "technical foul" or is the whole affair just ignored ?

I think he was suggesting that all fouls be 2 shots (not counting made baskets) and eliminate not the term of "one and one" but the actual situation behind it.

Contact after the ball is dead is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. You have to decide based on what you see.

There is no reflexive boxing out that long after the shot has been released. Don't tolerate that garbage in your games.