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Old Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:37pm
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Are there still rules about a "business" having to show a profit once every few years or the activity being considered a hobby? I am not a CPA...my son is...but have not asked.

Most of the officials I know only declare income reported to them on a 1099. Around here, schools and/or districts pay directly to the individual and with the high number of school districts and private schools in the area (a large metropolitan area) virtually nobody is paid enough by a single entity to reach the 1099 mark.

Years ago I got a tax ID and tracked all the income and expenses for two years. The first year I finished in the red by about $100...the second year I finished in the black by less than that. That is when I stopped tracking everything.

The rules state that your business is to have a profit 2 out of every 5 years.

BUT!! In 1996 at the ABL officials tryout camp in Atlanta, I officiated 4 games with a fellow college official who was also an IRS agent from Washington, DC. I asked him about that rule. He said not to worry about it.

Before invoking that rule, the IRS looks at the type of business and his expenses, and the amount of gross revenue that it generates. His example was a person who is a stamp collector and who buys and sell stamps as a "hobby". If this person, on his Schedule C shows $15,000 in expenses (airplane travel expenses rather than automobile expenses) and only $500 in gross revenue every year, he will be subject to the requirement of a profit 2 out of every 5 years. But someone who officiates H.S. and small college athletics whose travel expenses are almost 100% automobile mileage deductions will get a pass if they lose money year after year because it is acknowledged that the mileage can easily wipe out actual gross revenue or come very close to wiping it out.

I can't remember the last time I had a taxable profit from officiating and umpiring, and I declare every penny I make (including game fees that are paid in cash) and only take legal deductions. If you don't have a taxable loss every year, you are not trying, .

And while I still have a taxable loss I still have a non-taxable profit, just like the multi-national corporations. Isn't America great!

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Last edited by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.; Wed Nov 11, 2015 at 05:41pm. Reason: Corrected grammar.
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