NFHS Free Throw Question

[Da Official]

Any takers...found this on the State Basketball test...Please list supporting evidence.


It is a violation if B1 leaves a marked lane space when the ball leaves the free thrower's hand(s) and breaks the plane of the free-throw line before restrictions end for the free thrower. (True/False).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Da Official

Any takers...found this on the State Basketball test...Please list supporting evidence.


It is a violation if B1 leaves a marked lane space when the ball leaves the free thrower's hand(s) and breaks the plane of the free-throw line before restrictions end for the free thrower. (True/False).

If you do a search of the forum you'll find your answer and supporting evidence.

[Scuba_ref]

True, read your POEs.

Originally Posted by Da Official

Any takers...found this on the State Basketball test...Please list supporting evidence.


It is a violation if B1 leaves a marked lane space when the ball leaves the free thrower's hand(s) and breaks the plane of the free-throw line before restrictions end for the free thrower. (True/False).

Depends if the free throw shooter is on Team A or Team B.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you do a search of the forum you'll find your answer and supporting evidence.

Thx. Is there a Search on how to search??? I can NEVER locate what i'm looking for.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Depends if the free throw shooter is on Team A or Team B.

LOL....I think in most cases Team A usually has the ball or was in last possession of the ball...good one though.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Depends if the free throw shooter is on Team A or Team B.

How?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

How?

The OP doesn't specify whether a team A or B player is shooting the free throws.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by AremRed

The OP doesn't specify whether a team A or B player is shooting the free throws.

Think Arem

[Da Official]

To anyone interested in helping me I'm trying to get expert advice on this question. I missed it on the test and believe its one of those "bad" test questions but trying to see if I just misunderstood or if there are any officials with the same answer I had.

Also, I tried to search using the question and couldn't find any other threads. If someone could send me the thread(s) in question it would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by BigCat

Think Arem

I have. Check the POE, it is not a violation for a teammate of the free throw shooter to cross the free throw line before restrictions have ended on the free throw shooter. The OP does not specify who is shooting the free throws, which makes the question unanswerable due to lack of information.

Now if you are saying use common sense to know B1 is an opponent of the free throw shooter then that's a whole different thing entirely.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I have. Check the POE, it is not a violation for a teammate of the free throw shooter to cross the free throw line before restrictions have ended on the free throw shooter. The OP does not specify who is shooting the free throws, which makes the question unanswerable due to lack of information.

Now if you are saying use common sense to know B1 is an opponent of the free throw shooter then that's a whole different thing entirely.

From the national interps (emphasis added):

Comment: Rule 9-1 does not address the issue of players, other than the free thrower during the free throw, entering the semi-circle. The national interpretation on this issue is during the free throw, anyone entering the semi-circle has created a violation. If it is a team member who violates, the ball should be blown dead immediately. If an opponent violates, it is a delayed lane violation and the free thrower should be awarded a substitute throw if the free throw is missed.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I have. Check the POE, it is not a violation for a teammate of the free throw shooter to cross the free throw line before restrictions have ended on the free throw shooter. The OP does not specify who is shooting the free throws, which makes the question unanswerable due to lack of information.

Now if you are saying use common sense to know B1 is an opponent of the free throw shooter then that's a whole different thing entirely.

take a look at the 2015/16 rules interps on the nfhs cite. They clarified the pre season guide--poe. "…Anyone entering the semi circle has created a violation. If it is a team member who violates the ball should be blown dead immediately."

Here are the two paragraphs from the interp in question with emphasis added:

"Clarification Preseason Guide Article “Enforce Illegal Contact on Free Thrower and Violations During Free Throw”, page 6, second paragraph: The free thrower must remain within the free throw semi-circle until the ball contacts the basket ring or the shot is made or missed. The same rule applies to all other players who do not occupy free throw lane line marked spaces. Players who occupy free throw lane line marked spaces during free throws may enter the free-throw lane upon the free thrower releasing the ball; however, should a defensive player cross the free-throw line too soon, it is a violation. A delayed violation signal is to be displayed. If the free throw is successful, the violation is ignored. If a defender contacts the free thrower, a personal foul is the correct ruling. If the free throw is unsuccessful, the violation is enforced and a substitute free throw is awarded. If a defender contacts the free thrower, a personal foul is the correct ruling. Whether the free throw is or is not successful, the penalty for the personal foul is awarded. If the free thrower’s team is in a bonus situation, the free thrower would be awarded a one-and-one or two free throws. If the free thrower’s team is not in a bonus situation, his or her team would be awarded a throw-in along the end line.

Comment: Rule 9-1 does not address the issue of players, other than the free thrower during the free throw, entering the semi-circle. The national interpretation on this issue is during the free throw, anyone entering the semi-circle has created a violation. If it is a team member who violates, the ball should be blown dead immediately. If an opponent violates, it is a delayed lane violation and the free thrower should be awarded a substitute throw if the free throw is missed."

The first paragraph only mentions a defender, which seems to suggest that it's only a violation for a defender. The second paragraph does seem to contradict that. However the POE also seems to make a distinction between "crossing the free throw line" and "entering the semi-circle". Why this difference? The first time I read it my understanding was "crossing the free-throw line" applies to defenders in marked lanes spaces whereas "entering the semi-circle" applies to players outside the three point line. I don't think they refer to the same thing because they are worded differently. If they do refer to the same thing just from different angles then the wording is stupid and obtuse.

My questions to the NFHS: if you intend for any player (offense or defense) entering the semi-circle area then why write it two different ways? And why only mention a defender in the section about "crossing the free throw line"?

Using my common sense I can't imagine why it should be a violation for an offensive player in a marked lane space to "enter the semi-circle area" before the ball hits the rim. It makes sense why a defensive player can't do it (to avoid contact with FT shooter), and both types of players outside the 3 point line can't enter anyway until the restrictions also end on the FT shooter.

Yet another thing the NFHS could be crystal clear on but words things stupidly so refs like me misunderstand.

[Da Official]

Thanks experts....as you have agreed with me.

To the question, I answered TRUE.

"It is a violation if B1 leaves a marked lane space when the ball leaves the free thrower's hand(s) and breaks the plane of the free-throw line before restrictions end for the free thrower." (True/False).

The test said I was wrong the answer is FALSE and cited 9-1-3d.

Good luck figuring that out...

This could only be me but from my experience of taking officiating tests there are typically 1 or 2 questions that are designed to trip up the official from scoring a 100%. This one was mine. I've also never had the privilege of seeing the governing authority come back and say the question was bad.

The only reason I'm really discussing this is in our state they use chapter test scores to determine what chapters to give playoff games to.....you know because the best chapters are obviously the best test takers but that's a whole other discussion.