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Old Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:17pm
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Skylar Diggins made these popular during her years at ND. Were quite common around here. Sorry, Skylar.
Nike is gonna be pissed.

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Old Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:32pm
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Google "skylar diggins headband" images.
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Old Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:30pm
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Google "skylar diggins headband" images.
I brought this up last year because I incorrectly had girls remove or tuck them in last year during an AAU tournament. Glad the rest of the world is catching up with me.

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Old Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:53pm
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I brought this up last year because I incorrectly had girls remove or tuck them in last year during an AAU tournament. Glad the rest of the world is catching up with me.
I think I'm gonna let this type of headband slide during summer ball given the amount of crap I got from a coach (and subsequently the owner of the building I ref in) for not allowing his player to wear earrings, even covered in tape.

I'm still gonna stand up for the actual unsafe things like earrings, rings, necklaces, etc., but not gonna pick battles over that type of headband.
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Old Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:59pm
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I think I'm gonna let this type of headband slide during summer ball given the amount of crap I got from a coach (and subsequently the owner of the building I ref in) for not allowing his player to wear earrings, even covered in tape.

I'm still gonna stand up for the actual unsafe things like earrings, rings, necklaces, etc., but not gonna pick battles over that type of headband.
Why? Cause you don't like to deal with crap?
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Old Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:14am
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I brought this up last year because I incorrectly had girls remove or tuck them in last year during an AAU tournament. Glad the rest of the world is catching up with me.

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I'm not sure you were incorrect, even though the rule was not as clear as it could have been,

I know that in IL we were told not to allow them -- and I assume (yeh, I know) they got the info from nfhs somewhere.
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Old Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:57pm
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I'm not sure you were incorrect, even though the rule was not as clear as it could have been,

I know that in IL we were told not to allow them -- and I assume (yeh, I know) they got the info from nfhs somewhere.
They've been illegal in WI for years.
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Old Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:21am
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If we've had all these questions about it, don't you think there's a chance coaches might be a little confused?

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If we've had all these questions about it, don't you think there's a chance coaches might be a little confused?

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Absolutely. Given that the game is supposed to be "an extension of the classroom", then it is incumbent upon us to at minimum mention 'hand-checking' & 'encroachment into the FT circle/contact with FT shooter" rule/call--if for no other reason than to help ingrain the habits of proper play.

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Old Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:16pm
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Absolutely. Given that the game is supposed to be "an extension of the classroom", then it is incumbent upon us to at minimum mention 'hand-checking' & 'encroachment into the FT circle/contact with FT shooter" rule/call--if for no other reason than to help ingrain the habits of proper play.
I'm totally with you. With so much that can, and will, happen during a game that leads to objections from coaches, why not take a few seconds to cover something new or different?

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Old Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:46pm
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I'm totally with you. With so much that can, and will, happen during a game that leads to objections from coaches, why not take a few seconds to cover something new or different?

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Old Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:39pm
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Absolutely. Given that the game is supposed to be "an extension of the classroom", then it is incumbent upon us to at minimum mention 'hand-checking' & 'encroachment into the FT circle/contact with FT shooter" rule/call--if for no other reason than to help ingrain the habits of proper play.
I think the coaches ought to take an hour or two to review the rulebook themselves AND WITH THEIR PLAYERS and notify them of the changes.

As a courtesy, our association sends out a letter to our schools briefly outlining the rule changes and POEs for the upcoming season, and we also discuss them at preseason scrimmages and clinics.

But once the season has begun, I don't think it's necessary for us to be reminding coaches about changes and POEs.
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Old Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:46pm
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Absolutely. Given that the game is supposed to be "an extension of the classroom", then it is incumbent upon us to at minimum mention 'hand-checking' & 'encroachment into the FT circle/contact with FT shooter" rule/call--if for no other reason than to help ingrain the habits of proper play.
I will never mention hand checking in a coaches meeting.
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There's a difference between what coaches SHOULD do, and what they WILL do.

I don't count on anybody doing or knowing what they should. Call me a cynic.

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Old Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:50pm
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Please do not construe what I'm saying as "authoritative" because I am just a simple basketball ref whom--by continual rules study, feedback from superiors, and praxis--simply aims to perform better each time I do a game. But given the huge variance in opinion here on what "ought be" covered in a pre-game regarding the POE/rules clarifications---then it would seem to a casual bystander that we refs differ on what ought be and not ought be covered in a pre-game.

If we simply dismiss these POE issues (and assume coaches and players know them like we do), then the pre-game will descend into nothing more than a perfunctory blaise ritual [viz: waste of time]. One could then plausibly argue that we ought to just dismiss the pregame altogether and immediately start with the jump ball, no?
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