Very Rare Events...
 

Hey any of you observed these events to occur? ( I have not)

1) 7-5-2-a.

2) 7-5-1-a-d.

3) disallowing a FT attempt due to 10 secs having expired.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking on the first two -- you've never used the resumption of play procedure?

I have has a 10-second FT violation.

I do agree that they are rare -- they cannot be very rare. ;)

How about medium rare?

1) 7-5-2-a.
Yes, on every throw-in following a violation where I am the administering official. Happens dozens of times a game.
(I think you must mean some other rule reference, right?)

2) 7-5-1-a-d.
a: Yes, that's the ROP procedure. Maybe once every three or four years or so.
d: No, each time the few times the ROP procedure was enacted, the "behavior modification function" of our service was successful and neither team delayed lest they get the same treatment.

3) disallowing a FT attempt due to 10 secs having expired.
Not since the late 70's...but the last three seconds might've slowed down a bit once or twice since then. Not a problem around here.[/QUOTE]

I've had a few 10 second violations...and the kids weren't still even close to being ready to shoot.

You want rare events? How about 10-3-9 (goaltending during a free throw).

I've NEVER seen that one, and I doubt that I ever will.

Never say never. This happened during an NCAAM's game a couple of seasons ago. JRut posted the video.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post943173

I called a 10-second free-throw violation during my second year. Front end of a one-and-one, no less. In a close game. Let's just say my partner provided some forward-leaning mentorship afterwards. I have never called it since. One time I counted (slowly) to 15. Still didn't blow it. :D

How about this for rare. Don't have my book in front of me, but a live ball (not a try) that enters the basket from behind the three-point line. Counts as two points. Never thought I'd see it, and then sure enough a Duke player a couple of seasons ago trying to save a ball from going out of bounds in the corner flipped one right through his opponent's basket. Damn the bad luck. The crew was right on top of it and made sure the score was a 2 and not a 3. No one in the entire place knew that rule except the officials.

It was actually Kentucky.

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Fashion Police Taking A Break, Eating Doughnuts ???
 

What's with the white undershirt on Blue #42?

Note: I know more about rocket science than I do about NCAA "Fashion Police" rules.

Ahh, yes. Well researched, my friend. I got my blue and white teams confused.

Thanks for the clip. It's still fun to watch. Basketball has a way of providing some nice comedic moments from time to time.

The bolded and underlined statement above is incorrect if we are going by NCAA-M rules. The play in the referenced game only counted as two points because it is stated in the rulebook that any field goal scored in an opponents basket counts as two points, regardless of where the player's location on the playing court when the ball was released. It has nothing to do with whether or not the shot was a try or not.

Additionally, when an offensive player throws a pass into their own basket from beyond the 3 point line, 3 points are awarded. It does not need to be a shot attempt to get 3 points. There is a specific case play that covers this situation.

truly awesome--both in the display of the footage and in the ability to retrieve and present this very rare case, thanks.

*Yes, they can appropriately be called "very rare" events. I presume you are intending to imply that it is not proper grammar to add the adverb "very" to describe something that is uncommon; however, even in ''statistical analysis" there are "signficant" events (i.e., p <0.01) and "very significant events'' (i.e., p <0.001). Most of the events enumerated herein are indeed very rare.

*In my Rules book there is a mid-book insert for Referee magazine ad; it is showing a female ref holding up 2 hands with 2 fingers--ostensibly signaling to the scorer table something. If she is indicating a foul on A22, and she is NFHS level, then the wrong signal is being used,no? Or is she signaling that each team has 2 timeouts remaining?

Good Review To Get Ready For The Season ...
 

Let's take a look at NFHS rule:

NFHS 5-2-1: A successful try, tap or thrown ball from the field by a player who
is located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points. A ball
that touches the floor, a teammate inside the arc, an official, or any other goal
from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown.
See 4-5-4.

5.2.1 SITUATION B: With 2:45 left in the second quarter, B1 has the ball on the
left wing in Team B's frontcourt, standing behind the three-point arc. B5 makes a
backdoor cut toward the basket. B1 passes the ball toward the ring and B5 leaps
for the potential "alley-oop" dunk. The ball, however, enters and passes through
the goal directly from B1's pass and is not touched by B5. RULING: Score three
points for Team B. A ball that is thrown into a team's own goal from behind the
three-point arc scores three points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an
actual try for goal.

5.2.1 SITUATION C: A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The
ball is legally touched by: (a) B1 who is in the three-point area; (b) B1 who is in
the two-point area; (c) A2 who is in the three-point area; or (d) A2 who is in the
two-point area. The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket. RULING:
In (a) and (b), three points are scored since the legal touching was by the defense
and the ball was thrown from behind the three-point line. In (c), score three
points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred behind the three-point line.
In (d), score two points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred in the two point
area

Misty Water Color Memories ...
 

Also incorrect for NFHS rules.

crosscountry55's statement used to be the true in NFHS rules, but it changed a few years after the three point arc was first painted on high school gymnasium floors.

I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to tell us all about the history of this rule.

1) I have no idea what's used in statistical analysis.

2) I have no idea what she is indicating, or if it's a HS game, or if it's a state that might allow two handed reporting. I agree that if it's NFHS and NFHS mechanics, then using two hand to indicate the number of a player is incorrect.

I had a play a couple of years ago that made me glad I had read the rule book. Team A had the ball for a backcourt throw-in. A2 was confused. He received the inbounds pass and found himself wide open for a 3. He paused for a second while I was trying to tell him not to do it in my head. Sure enough, he shot it, and it was nothing but net, only the wrong net. We correctly awarded B 2 points and gave A another shot at a backcourt inbounds. This was a VB game. I don't think I will be seeing a play like that again.

If you find the actual magazine she was on the cover of, it well tell you what level she works. Why are you assuming it's an NFHS game?

For one not all states use every NFHS mechanic. It is possible that the state she is in does not use NF mechanics. There are many states that do things a little different in certain areas. It is not required for the states to follow mechanics on any level.

Also without knowing the context of the picture, I have no idea if this is a foul reporting situation anyway. And we also do not know if this was even a HS game in anyway. I am sure the issue had a name of the official in question.

Peace

I called this in a D2 game. Player reached 10 seconds on his first couple free throws. I warned him during a dead ball, and subsequently called one on his next throw. Player would bounce the ball, spin the ball, go behind his back, bounce and spin again before shooting. Coach was obviously upset but when we reviewed the film it was between 12-13 seconds each time.

I am acquainted with that official in the picture. Her name is Megan. She is an accomplished high school official who went on successfully to NCAAw. The game that she was doing when that picture was taken was an NCAA women's game. The state in which she officiated high school basketball does not support two hand foul reporting, if that indeed was the report of a foul. It supports only NFHS mechanics with the exception of the recent "Long Switch..." thing.

*OK, thanks for clarifying. So, NFHS signals are not relevant in that case. Wow, you guys really know this business and also the folks who make it their vocation! Never would've expected that a forum member would "out of the blue" just happen to know that random referee in the cover photo. Truly amazing.

Most likely almost every basketball official who makes the cover is known by someone on this forum.

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First Mention of Dr. Hook on the Forum -- Ever
 

Correct.
Except that when I make the cover of the Rolling Stone (joke for those of an equivalent elderly status here on the Forum), I mean Referee magazine, it's quite likely that nobody -- and I mean nobody -- will know who I am. I mean, after all, would anyone with the name Freddy ever actually use that name as his/her Forum name? That would be dumb.

1972 ...
 

For the non-elderly on the Forum:

https://youtu.be/npxRpGguGGI