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ChuckElias Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:30pm

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Originally posted by Chin Ref
just like the NBA, the NF modified the FIBA rules.
Was the FIBA code in place before the NBA?!?! Hard to believe.

BktBallRef Sat Sep 13, 2003 03:56pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
So A1 attempts a try from behind the 3-point arc. B1 jumps from just inside the 3-point arc and partially blocks the try. The ball enters the basket. You are only going to award 2 points?!?! That seems really silly to me.
It's seems silly?

You're too kind. :(

ChuckElias Sat Sep 13, 2003 04:03pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
That seems really silly to me.
It's seems silly?

You're too kind. :(

Well, I did say it seems really silly. :)

Jay R Sat Sep 13, 2003 05:03pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by oc
Under FIBA rules a tipped 3 point attempt is only worth 2 if the defender jumped from the 2 point area.
So A1 attempts a try from behind the 3-point arc. B1 jumps from just inside the 3-point arc and partially blocks the try. The ball enters the basket. You are only going to award 2 points?!?! That seems really silly to me.

Hey Chuck, that was one of my questions on my little FIBA quiz a while back. Most of you ignored it, I was NOT surprised.

I am curious if the FIBA rules are older or younger than NBA, NCAA or NF rules. Obviously the game was invented in the USA (by a Canadian I might add), I would assumed that FIBA rules do not pre-date "American" rules. Does anyone know this history?

ref18 Sat Sep 13, 2003 06:35pm

Why do all my posts end up in an argument between people who use FIBA and people who use the American Rules?

ChuckElias Sat Sep 13, 2003 09:07pm

ref18, I really don't mean to argue. That's the rule, and that's how you should call it if you work with FIBA rules. I just don't think it's fair to judge the value of the shot on where the defender last touched the floor. I think it makes more sense to judge the value of the shot by where the shooter last touched the floor.

I think I see the logic of the FIBA interp, I just don't think it's the fairest interp.

mick Sat Sep 13, 2003 09:24pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

I think I see the logic of the FIBA interp, I just don't think it's the fairest interp.

... and I never even plan on seeing that play. :rolleyes:
mick

BktBallRef Sat Sep 13, 2003 11:04pm

So, if a 3 pointer is bouncing on the rim, a defender jumps, taps it, which is legal, and it still goes in, it's not worth 3 points? :confused:

Jay R Sun Sep 14, 2003 07:56am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
So, if a 3 pointer is bouncing on the rim, a defender jumps, taps it, which is legal, and it still goes in, it's not worth 3 points? :confused:
Correct.

Jay R Sun Sep 14, 2003 08:00am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
ref18, I really don't mean to argue. That's the rule, and that's how you should call it if you work with FIBA rules. I just don't think it's fair to judge the value of the shot on where the defender last touched the floor. I think it makes more sense to judge the value of the shot by where the shooter last touched the floor.

I think I see the logic of the FIBA interp, I just don't think it's the fairest interp.

Let me play the devil's advocate. A defender (NCAA) slaps the backboard, the shot rolls off the rim as the rim is still vibrating. Basket interference? No. Is that the fairest interpretation?

ChuckElias Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:33am

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Originally posted by Jay R
Let me play the devil's advocate. A defender (NCAA) slaps the backboard, the shot rolls off the rim as the rim is still vibrating. Basket interference? No. Is that the fairest interpretation?
Interesting point, Jay. I think it's a fair interpretation, b/c we have another rule in place that allows us to give the offense a chance at those two points.

We don't call BI or GT, b/c it technically doesn't fit the definition. But we can assess a technical foul, which gives the offense the opportunity to score those two points.


ChuckElias Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:35am

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Originally posted by mick
... and I never even plan on seeing that play. :rolleyes:
mick

mick, you can't see a 3-point shot being partially blocked and still going in the basket? I don't think it's quite as improbable as you make it sound.

mick Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:00am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by mick
... and I never even plan on seeing that play. :rolleyes:
mick

mick, you can't see a 3-point shot being partially blocked and still going in the basket? I don't think it's quite as improbable as you make it sound.

No. Can't see it. Can't imagine it.
My mind still works from time to time, but I am left-handed, ya know.http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0...smiley-005.gif

Mark Dexter Sun Sep 14, 2003 12:28pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

Interesting point, Jay. I think it's a fair interpretation, b/c we have another rule in place that allows us to give the offense a chance at those two points.

Perhaps Jay was referring to a situation involving a try for 3 points.

Far be it from me, however, to bring up that can of worms again . . . . :p

BktBallRef Sun Sep 14, 2003 12:41pm

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Originally posted by Jay R
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
ref18, I really don't mean to argue. That's the rule, and that's how you should call it if you work with FIBA rules. I just don't think it's fair to judge the value of the shot on where the defender last touched the floor. I think it makes more sense to judge the value of the shot by where the shooter last touched the floor.

I think I see the logic of the FIBA interp, I just don't think it's the fairest interp.

Let me play the devil's advocate. A defender (NCAA) slaps the backboard, the shot rolls off the rim as the rim is still vibrating. Basket interference? No. Is that the fairest interpretation?

While I don't necessarily agree with this rule, it's not nearly as absurd as as the FIBA rule on a blocked 3 point shot.


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