Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 966730)

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 966730)

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 966737)

Because it's going to be pretty hard to cross that line without making contact.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 966738)

Disagree. I do agree that it will be hard to make contact without crossing the line.

And, I sure hope there's a clarifying play or two in the annual interps that come out about mid-November. Until then, I won't really give it much thought.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 966715)

What does the rule say?

There is your answer. I do not give a darn what a POE says that will be gone the following year.

To me this what like when the NF several years ago used the term "moving screen" in their wording in a POE but never mentioned how that was not a rulebook term or even applied to the rule. Then the next year the POE was gone and the rule never was changed. Funny we have not heard or seen that kind of wording about screens sense.

Peace

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 966730)

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 966730)

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 966755)

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 966755)

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.

Perhaps you're referring to lower level games, where you may be a little lax on the rules, but there's no way I'm doing that in a varsity contest.

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 966757)

You act as though we have huge rule discussions with coaches on the court. I've probably worked over 1000 varsity contests over the last 20 years and this doesn't cause me one bit of angst. Call it...or don't call it....and move on.

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 966760)

I think the purpose of the POE is to get in line with the violation for crossing over the 3 point line and into the free throw semi circle prior to the ball hitting the rim. What the POE is effectively saying is, its a violation to enter the free throw semi circle from both behind the 3 point line and from crossing over the free throw line. Just for what its worth, we were told at a camp in June that this is a violation and it needed to be called.

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 966758)

What are talking about? "Huge rule discussions"? I'm just saying that I'm not going to tell a coach that I saw a violation and didn't call it, because if the other coach hears me say that he's probably going to take issue with it (and rightfully so). So why open up that can of worms?

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 966762)

Why do you need to tell the coach anything? Do you tell them something everything you call a violation they do not like?

Peace

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 966763)

What is going on?

In my first post I said that I would never tell a coach that I didn't call a violation, but would call it next time. And somehow that got twisted into me having "huge rule discussions" with coaches, and now I'm getting interrogated about telling coaches anything.

Let's try again...

I'm NOT telling the coaches anything. I'm ESPECIALLY not telling them that I saw a violation and did not call it... Which is what OKREF said, and I replied to.