Excessively Swinging Arms or Elbows

[ken roberts]

You're correct, Mark. I also agree with your rule of thumb on when to call the T.

I just re-read article 4-19-3 and i'm curious about the intentional foul if the elbow-swinger makes contact. The rule states that "A foul shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent."

In our situation, the transgressor has the ball so is he still considered to be "playing" it?