contradicting or not

johnnyg08 · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:23am

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Originally Posted by zebra2955

I understand that. But a broad statement. ball could hit fair/foul before the imaginary line and then go the other way. so in reality your statement is not quite true.

Just something I have thought about after seeing some weird stuff on turf fields. The odds in most cases is the defense will make a play on the ball before it has a chance to go foul. Considering how far the ball has to go to cross this imaginary line. They would not want to run the risk of the runner beating the play.

One thing I like about turf fields is the extra outs you get from players over sliding the base.

Once it first lands fair or foul beyond 1st or 3rd, that is the status of the ball. Yes, it is that simple.

The status of a fair/foul ball before 1st or 3rd base depends on where the ball settles if it does not pass 1st or 3rd base. It's nothing until it settles or is touched. Turf doesn't change the definitions of those things.

johnnyg08 · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:25am

I do agree with you in the fact that as base umpire, you must be aware of the oversliding of bases and to make sure you're properly using your eyes before making your safe/out decision.

zebra2955 · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:32am

Thanks for the info

johnnyg08 · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:35am

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Originally Posted by zebra2955

Thanks for the info

You're welcome.

zebra2955 · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:41am

Thinking about this some more, how does a plate umpire tell if the ball is close to this imaginary line and then does spin back.

It could land let say a point half way between 1st and the mound or third and the mound and then spin back. Be past the imaginary line. The plate ump would have a tough time seeing this. Could the base ump help with this and how would he do it.

johnnyg08 · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:55am

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Originally Posted by zebra2955

Thinking about this some more, how does a plate umpire tell if the ball is close to this imaginary line and then does spin back.

It could land let say a point half way between 1st and the mound or third and the mound and then spin back. Be past the imaginary line. The plate ump would have a tough time seeing this. Could the base ump help with this and how would he do it.

Judgment. Basically if the ball lands behind the pitcher's rubber.

bob jenkins · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:59am

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Originally Posted by zebra2955

Thinking about this some more, how does a plate umpire tell if the ball is close to this imaginary line and then does spin back.

It could land let say a point half way between 1st and the mound or third and the mound and then spin back. Be past the imaginary line. The plate ump would have a tough time seeing this. Could the base ump help with this and how would he do it.

Yes, BU can help. But, once the uncaught ball is called "foul" it's foul, even if the umpire was "wrong."

On your OP, a batted ball is initially neither fair nor foul. Once it becomes one or the other, then the status is set and can't be changed.

zebra2955 · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:27am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, BU can help. But, once the uncaught ball is called "foul" it's foul, even if the umpire was "wrong."

On your OP, a batted ball is initially neither fair nor foul. Once it becomes one or the other, then the status is set and can't be changed.

Now that makes sense