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Old Thu Aug 07, 2014, 10:15am
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Award of "home run"

In OBR 6.09(h) if a fair fly ball deflects off an outfielder's glove into the stands in fair territory, a "home run" is awarded to the batter. If it were me, I'd award the four bases, and let the score keeper decide if it's a "home run" or an error, etc...

Just a thought...
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Old Thu Aug 07, 2014, 10:39am
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Technically, we do not award a home run under any circumstances. When the ball leaves live ball territory between the two foul lines, either in flight or deflected, we award four bases. So your question is mute.
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Old Thu Aug 07, 2014, 10:44am
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Technically, we do not award a home run under any circumstances. When the ball leaves live ball territory between the two foul lines, either in flight or deflected, we award four bases. So your question is mute.
Or moot, even.
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Or moot, even.
The dang grammer and spelling police are at it again.
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The dang grammer and spelling police are at it again.
Grammar.
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Old Thu Aug 07, 2014, 01:37pm
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Old Thu Aug 07, 2014, 05:46pm
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In OBR 6.09(h) if a fair fly ball deflects off an outfielder's glove into the stands in fair territory, a "home run" is awarded to the batter. If it were me, I'd award the four bases, and let the score keeper decide if it's a "home run" or an error, etc...

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It's HR by rule. Nothing to decide.

7.05 Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out,
advance—
(a) To home base, scoring a run, if a fair ball goes out of the playing field in flight and
he touched all bases legally;

2.00 IN FLIGHT describes a batted, thrown, or pitched ball which has not yet touched
the ground or some object other than a fielder.

10.06 (e) When a batter-runner is awarded two bases, three bases or a home run under the provisions of Rules 7.05 or 7.06(a), the official scorer shall credit the batter-runner
with a two-base hit, a three-base hit or a home run, as the case may be.


A deflected fly ball that goes over the fence is still in flight so it's a HR.

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Old Thu Aug 07, 2014, 06:43pm
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What if...

A fielder is standing at the fence, waiting to make a routine catch. For some reason, he botches it. The ball pops from his glove and goes over.

Would that not be scored as an error?

Is a home run not a hit, statistically speaking?

So if it's an error, it's not a hit, and if it's not a hit then how can it be a home run, since a home run is a hit?
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Old Thu Aug 07, 2014, 08:06pm
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What if...

A fielder is standing at the fence, waiting to make a routine catch. For some reason, he botches it. The ball pops from his glove and goes over.

Would that not be scored as an error?

Is a home run not a hit, statistically speaking?

So if it's an error, it's not a hit, and if it's not a hit then how can it be a home run, since a home run is a hit?
It depends. Is the moon full or new?
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What if...

A fielder is standing at the fence, waiting to make a routine catch. For some reason, he botches it. The ball pops from his glove and goes over.

Would that not be scored as an error?

Is a home run not a hit, statistically speaking?

So if it's an error, it's not a hit, and if it's not a hit then how can it be a home run, since a home run is a hit?
Reading comprehension folks. I just posted the scoring rule. 10.06(e ). I went back and highlighted a key word. A fair ball went out of the playing field in flight. Criteria met. It's a HR. It's a hit. Ask Canseco.
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Old Fri Aug 08, 2014, 07:48am
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My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.

10.06 DETERMINING VALUE OF BASE HITS

The official scorer shall score a base hit as a one-base hit, two-base hit, three-base hit or home run when no error or putout results, as follows...


10.12 ERRORS...

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases...


Says right there that you can't be credited with a home run if it was the result of an error.

Maybe Canseco wasn't charged with an error becasue the official scorer didn't judge a on the run, back to the infield, over the head, at the fence, catch attempt to be "ordinary effort".

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Old Fri Aug 08, 2014, 09:03am
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My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.

10.06 DETERMINING VALUE OF BASE HITS

The official scorer shall score a base hit as a one-base hit, two-base hit, three-base hit or home run when no error or putout results, as follows...


10.12 ERRORS...

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases...


Says right there that you can't be credited with a home run if it was the result of an error.

Maybe Canseco wasn't charged with an error becasue the official scorer didn't judge a on the run, back to the infield, over the head, at the fence, catch attempt to be "ordinary effort".


The rule I quoted overrides this. "The scorer SHALL . .credit a HR if a ball goes over the fence in flight."

Not "may"award a HR. Not "can" award a HR. "Shall" award a HR.

Comprende?
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Old Fri Aug 08, 2014, 09:25am
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"Conflicts with" maybe. But how do you figure "overrides"?

Both of the rules I posted say "SHALL" (credit a hit or charge an error). If inclusion of the magic word "shall" is the determining factor, what do you do if they all say "shall"?

I'll see your "shall" and raise you another "shall". Two shalls are greater than one!

I know what I would do. Or, wouldn't do, which is give a sh... I'm an umpire and how the official scorer rules it has no bearing on the playing rules I deal with.

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Old Fri Aug 08, 2014, 11:42am
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Because the scorer gets to decide if it's a hit or error - except where it says he shall credit a hit. There are automatic hits but no automatic errors.
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And the Canseco play is automatically a hit. Nothing to discuss here.
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