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JJ Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:19am

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 923385)
If the ball was fair, I think the batter would get 1st.

OK, another related question. What if that runner bumps the 3rd baseman and then he catches the pop foul anyway? Only one out, or two?

JJ

dash_riprock Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:42am

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 923432)
OK, another related question. What if that runner bumps the 3rd baseman and then he catches the pop foul anyway? Only one out, or two?

JJ

The ball is dead on the INT.

MD Longhorn Tue Feb 18, 2014 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 923190)
Where was the out possible?

Generally in baseball, when a batter hits a fly ball that's caught, it creates an out on the batter.

dash_riprock Tue Feb 18, 2014 03:25pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 923470)
Generally in baseball, when a batter hits a fly ball that's caught, it creates an out on the batter.

Not in this case.

MD Longhorn Tue Feb 18, 2014 04:16pm

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 923490)
Not in this case.

Really? Before the INT, there was no out to be had on the batter if the ball had been caught? Why, praytell?

rbmartin Tue Feb 18, 2014 08:19pm

Rule 5-1-1e
Ball becomes dead immediately when there is interference by a runner, batter-runner, or a retired runner, the batter , or any person.

Rule 8-4-2g .....If , in the judgment of the umpire, the runner including the batter runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be declared out...

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 19, 2014 08:54am

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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 923522)
Rule 5-1-1e
Ball becomes dead immediately when there is interference by a runner, batter-runner, or a retired runner, the batter , or any person.

Rule 8-4-2g .....If , in the judgment of the umpire, the runner including the batter runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be declared out...

To whom/what was this a response?

rbmartin Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:29pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 923546)
To whom/what was this a response?

I was pointing out that in the scenario described in the OP, depending on if additional runners were on base and their actions, the umpire could conceivably award 2 outs on the play described.
For instance if a runner was on 1st and was running on the pitch. If the umpire feels he would have been a dead duck on the appeal play, based on Rule 8-4-2g he could call him out as well. All I am saying is that just because the ball is immediately dead and the runner is out, there are other things to consider on this play.

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 19, 2014 03:05pm

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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 923585)
I was pointing out that in the scenario described in the OP, depending on if additional runners were on base and their actions, the umpire could conceivably award 2 outs on the play described.
For instance if a runner was on 1st and was running on the pitch. If the umpire feels he would have been a dead duck on the appeal play, based on Rule 8-4-2g he could call him out as well. All I am saying is that just because the ball is immediately dead and the runner is out, there are other things to consider on this play.

Gotcha. Thanks.

johnnyg08 Thu Feb 20, 2014 06:57pm

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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 923522)
Rule 5-1-1e
Ball becomes dead immediately when there is interference by a runner, batter-runner, or a retired runner, the batter , or any person.

Be careful with this, in the instance of a potential infield fly, we have to determine if the ball if fair/foul on an infield fly hit down the line. OBR

JJ Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:35am

In NCAA and MLB, if that interference is INTENTIONAL, both the runner AND the batter are declared out. Sort of what the FED rule says "if the interference prevents a double play"...but the majority of the time only the runner is out, and if it's a foul ball a strike is added to the count (if the batter has less than two strikes).

JJ


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