MLB Rules: Is This a Trip?

[ozzy6900]

As stated MLB rules, DH used, lights are on due to it being a night game and the moon is in the house of Grouch Marx. I hope that covers all the preliminaries. Oh yes, this was not my game, it was relayed to me by phone.

R3 & R2, 0 out, count on the batter is 1-1. Coach comes out of the dugout, approaches the foul line but does not cross it. He calls to F1 to put the batter on, then turns and goes back into the dugout. The caller asked if this would be considered a trip.

I thought it would be interesting what others would do here. So what do you say, is it a trip?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

As stated MLB rules, DH used, lights are on due to it being a night game and the moon is in the house of Grouch Marx. I hope that covers all the preliminaries. Oh yes, this was not my game, it was relayed to me by phone.

R3 & R2, 0 out, count on the batter is 1-1. Coach comes out of the dugout, approaches the foul line but does not cross it. He calls to F1 to put the batter on, then turns and goes back into the dugout. The caller asked if this would be considered a trip.

I thought it would be interesting what others would do here. So what do you say, is it a trip?

Yes, off the top of my head.

[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

As stated MLB rules, DH used, lights are on due to it being a night game and the moon is in the house of Grouch Marx. I hope that covers all the preliminaries. Oh yes, this was not my game, it was relayed to me by phone.

R3 & R2, 0 out, count on the batter is 1-1. Coach comes out of the dugout, approaches the foul line but does not cross it. He calls to F1 to put the batter on, then turns and goes back into the dugout. The caller asked if this would be considered a trip.

I thought it would be interesting what others would do here. So what do you say, is it a trip?

No. According to MLBUM a trip begins when the manager or coach crosses the foul line. The trip ends when the manager or coach leaves the circle.

This is not a trip.

[bob jenkins]

I'll vote with tcarilli -- not a trip.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by tcarilli

No. According to MLBUM a trip begins when the manager or coach crosses the foul line. The trip ends when the manager or coach leaves the circle.

This is not a trip.

That is exactly what I told the caller. I also told the caller that there was a signal to put a man on (hand parallel, sliding across the forehead) and that he might suggest that to the coach should he see him.

[JJ]

OK, same rules set. Coach comes out of the dugout and out to (but not across) the foul line, and calls the infielders over to him. After a few words with them he goes back to the dugout. Is THIS a trip?

JJ

[UMP45]

yes.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by JJ

OK, same rules set. Coach comes out of the dugout and out to (but not across) the foul line, and calls the infielders over to him. After a few words with them he goes back to the dugout. Is THIS a trip?

JJ

Not unless the infielder then goes to the pitcher if I read the MLBUM correctly.

[rbmartin]

If I deemed it a legitimate defensive conference, no, I would not count it as a mound visit (see 8.06 comment).

[Manny A]

FWIW, these discussions are accurate when it comes to straight pro rules. The visit rule limits the number of times a manager or coach provides guidance to the pitcher, either directly or through an intermediary. It doesn't address game delays.

But under other rule sets, the visit rule is designed more to prevent unnecessary delays to the game than it does coaching the pitcher. So in the case that JJ mentions where the coach goes out to talk to the infielders, this would be considered a visit under those rule sets.

At least that's how I understand it.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I also told the caller that there was a signal to put a man on (hand parallel, sliding across the forehead) and that he might suggest that to the coach should he see him.

I don't remember ever seeing that. Usually they just hold up 4 fingers (tuck the thumb).

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

I don't remember ever seeing that. Usually they just hold up 4 fingers (tuck the thumb).

This is what was used when I played pro ball (eons ago). Take your right hand and form a salute, now slide this back and forth across the brim of the hat. When F1 or F2 sees this, it means "walk him". This kept the manager from having to come out and it was easier to see the sign with all the noise.

[DG]

3rd world question as far as MLB is concerned. How many times have we seen mgr come out to foul line to talk to an infielder?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by DG

3rd world question as far as MLB is concerned. How many times have we seen mgr come out to foul line to talk to an infielder?

Probably the same number of times a manager use the wrong arm to signal the bullpen. Oh, wait...

[UMP25]

According to a little birdie whom I asked, an attempt to circumvent this trip rule by doing as the OP described would be considered a trip. Just sayin'.