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SWFLguy Thu Aug 08, 2013 01:27pm

Little League World Series Umps
 
Been watching some of the early round games shown on TV. I find it interesting to see the different mechanics used by plate umpires and sometimes even the field umps. I realize they are volunteers. I wonder how they are selected and if differing styles might cause some confusion. Not criticizing, just looking for input. Thanks.

MD Longhorn Thu Aug 08, 2013 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by SWFLguy (Post 902089)
Been watching some of the early round games shown on TV. I find it interesting to see the different mechanics used by plate umpires and sometimes even the field umps. I realize they are volunteers. I wonder how they are selected and if differing styles might cause some confusion. Not criticizing, just looking for input. Thanks.

Not going to name names. But one umpire I know to have travelled to umpire a game one round before those you're watching now is the same guy that called a TIE in one of my games not that long ago.

I kind of think that says everything. Until LL gets serious about their umpires like every other organization has, they will get what they get.

stooloo Thu Aug 08, 2013 02:06pm

I was watching a game on Wednesday. I don't recall the teams but the b/r turned to go to second base (after a wild throw to first) and the first base ump was in the way. A collision occured, B/R scrambled up to his feet and was thrown out at second. Time was called and the umps gave him second because of interference/obstruction of umpire. No questions asked by defense. To my knowledge, there is no way an umpire can be called for obstruction in this situation, just play on. Umpire is part of the field when it comes to players running into them.

umpjim Thu Aug 08, 2013 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by stooloo (Post 902093)
I was watching a game on Wednesday. I don't recall the teams but the b/r turned to go to second base (after a wild throw to first) and the first base ump was in the way. A collision occured, B/R scrambled up to his feet and was thrown out at second. Time was called and the umps gave him second because of interference/obstruction of umpire. No questions asked by defense. To my knowledge, there is no way an umpire can be called for obstruction in this situation, just play on. Umpire is part of the field when it comes to players running into them.

I agree but 3 NCAA umps awarded the same thing in a Texas A&M game a year ago.

MD Longhorn Thu Aug 08, 2013 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 902094)
I agree but 3 NCAA umps awarded the same thing in a Texas A&M game a year ago.

Link? I don't recall this happening.

umpjim Thu Aug 08, 2013 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 902099)
Link? I don't recall this happening.

March, 2012: What is Umpire Obstruction? | The Way I See It – UmpHub Blog

Interesting to see Paronto quoted in the comments as saying "wrong by rule but good for the game" . I don't know if he actually said that.

Edited to add: Upon reviewing the link they awarded 2B but then changed it to 1B. Not exactly what the LL guys did.

Rich Ives Thu Aug 08, 2013 08:52pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 902092)
Until LL gets serious about their umpires like every other organization has, .


As far as I know LL is the only youth org that has umpire schools regularly at their regional centers.

We don't get to see the Babe Ruth/Ripken, Dixie, whatever on TV so we really don't know how their umpires would appear.

aceholleran Fri Aug 09, 2013 08:15am

At the regional level, umps are recommended by their local districts, hence all the Smittys out there. Regional games are like gold watches for these codgers. Yes, I can say that a "senior."

I did LL for 30+ years,along with HS, Legion and summer, college-level+ ball. LL "clinics" are all about the rules, with small nods to mechanics, etc.

I cringe when I watch these games.

Ace

tjones1 Fri Aug 09, 2013 09:07am

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Originally Posted by aceholleran (Post 902164)
I cringe when I watch these games.

Ace

I can't watch them - too many WTFs.

Welpe Fri Aug 09, 2013 09:10am

They're not all bad umpires. That guy working the Great Lakes Regional Final last year was a little squirrely but what are you gonna do? :D

jicecone Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:12am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 902172)
They're not all bad umpires. That guy working the Great Lakes Regional Final last year was a little squirrely but what are you gonna do? :D

Sounds like most of the contributers here on any given day. And yes, I am including myself.

Rich Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:23am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 902172)
They're not all bad umpires. That guy working the Great Lakes Regional Final last year was a little squirrely but what are you gonna do? :D

Bite me.

Rita C Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:05am

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Originally Posted by aceholleran (Post 902164)
LL "clinics" are all about the rules, with small nods to mechanics, etc.


Ace

Not in Western Region.

Rita

Multiple Sports Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:31am

Out of Shape
 
I was amazed by how many guys I have seen so far are out of shape......

are they hitting the concession stand between each game ????

Manny A Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:39pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 902186)
I was amazed by how many guys I have seen so far are out of shape......

are they hitting the concession stand between each game ????

LL certainly doesn't monopolize the market on this particular subject, that's for sure. I've seen umpires who could use a few months at the local gym at the highest levels of championship play in a number of national-level organizations.

fortmoney Sat Aug 10, 2013 09:34pm

why in the hell are they running 6-man crews, that's what I want to know

aceholleran Sun Aug 11, 2013 07:44am

Six-man crews allow more overweight people to get "the nod."

OTOH (with a nod to Rita), I thought San Berdoo had the best crews, BY FAR. I saw more than one guy with his shoes shined and one with a ... gasp ... FLEX BELT!

Plus, most of them have NEVER done HS, Legion, etc. They are "dedicated volunteers," who are pillars of their community and make the same mistakes they have been doing for years. And no one can tell them differently. Ergo, they get worse.

This is why you see routine plays dressed up, balls that are skatey-eight feet foul bellowed out, umps standing at attention to make base calls.

As I have said, there is virtually no vetting process to do a regional. It's a lot of heinie-kissing at the local level--or years of service.

I knew a guy who was a classic example. Umped for over 30 years. And he was horrible. When I became UIC for my district, I worked hard to get rid of him. The solution: banning "the raft" for plate umps. He refused to buck up, so we stopped giving him post-season games.

Of course, almost yearly, there would be an article in the paper singing his praises, such as: "Harry Smitty has dedicated years of his life, blah, blah, woof, woof..."

I particularly think it sad when the level of play FAR outshines the level of officiating.

Harrumph.

Ace

RPatrino Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:13am

I have been told by various people in LL that assignments to Regional's and LLWS are awards for service to LL, and not based on competence as an official. Don't assume you are seeing the best of the best. There are also cases of individual districts being given slots as a reward for the DA, for his/her service to LL.

dst8ada Sun Aug 11, 2013 07:13pm

To say that most have not worked high school or higher levels is wrong. Many of the umpires choosen from Michigan have worked high school finals, myself included. In 2010 I believe, the plate umpires for the semi-finals in Williamsport were a former MiLB umpire and the man who had the plate for the Class A (highest class) in Michigan.
Some of the mechanics might not be the best, but I can remember when MLB umpires had different mechanics depending on who was in the crew. The Central Region umpire clinic has a drill done before every break "doing the bog six". Yes I get upset when I see guys yelling foul when the ball is in the parking lot, wearing a long sleeve T shirt with short sleeve shirt over it ect, but I saw a picture from A ripken tournament of a guy with the balloon and shorts.
I don't think we want robots as umpres, which is what we would have if all mechanics were the same.

RPatrino Sun Aug 11, 2013 08:00pm

Dst8ada, it has been my experience that most of the umpires chosen for higher level LL assignments have not had any HS or above experience. There is only one umpire that I know of that has done high level HS games as well as LL games, and that is out of about 20 or so umpires that I am acquainted with that have done Regional and WS games for LL.

You might say 'we don't want robots' but that is what is being represented on the field. It's hard to argue with evidence.

aceholleran Mon Aug 12, 2013 03:28am

Having done LL at all levels for 33 years before hanging it up, I am with Bob.

Steven Tyler Mon Aug 12, 2013 04:24am

IMO~Six guys on such a little field is overkill. RF & LF line umps at least need to go. All the umpires look jumbled up out there on occasion. Watching U2 come in on a hit to the outfield leaves little room for the players.

kylejt Mon Aug 12, 2013 08:09am

Why is doing HS/Fed ball some sort of benchmark? I'm watching more HS ball, as my son is now a Varsity coach, and at least around here, the quality is hit and miss.

Most guys that I know that get a shot at LL TV games, at least out here in the West, are also doing Adult wood bat, older travel, college summer league, etc. Weekend stuff, but not HS as they have real, 9-5 jobs that preclude them from working those 3pm games.

Manny A Mon Aug 12, 2013 08:33am

Six-man crews for the LL post-season is nothing more than giving umpires the opportunity to work more games when they reach those levels. Unfortunately, they get so bored out there on the lines, that they feel compelled to make those exaggerated foul calls on balls that are in the next county.

I recall doing a LL State tournament years ago, and the tournament UIC from the host league received permission to use his local umpires as LFUs and RFUs, as a form of gratitude for their volunteerism during the regular season. I don't particularly believe those umpires are necessary on the small diamond in general, but if the tournament director sees the need, then, candidly, I think those positions should be filled by the umpires selected to work the tournaments, not local yokels who may not be worthy of working these games.

Rich Mon Aug 12, 2013 09:08am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 902357)
Why is doing HS/Fed ball some sort of benchmark? I'm watching more HS ball, as my son is now a Varsity coach, and at least around here, the quality is hit and miss.

Most guys that I know that get a shot at LL TV games, at least out here in the West, are also doing Adult wood bat, older travel, college summer league, etc. Weekend stuff, but not HS as they have real, 9-5 jobs that preclude them from working those 3pm games.

Our HS games start at 5PM around here.

Rich Mon Aug 12, 2013 09:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 902351)
IMO~Six guys on such a little field is overkill. RF & LF line umps at least need to go. All the umpires look jumbled up out there on occasion. Watching U2 come in on a hit to the outfield leaves little room for the players.

There's no reason a U2 needs to come inside. It's easy to get a 90-degree angle to the throw on the outside and make a call at second. It's how I umpire when I work U2 in any game, including LL games.

And yet you still see 3 umpires pivoting inside unnecessarily on balls hit to the outfield, when the ideal number doing so would be ZERO.

Manny A Mon Aug 12, 2013 09:41am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902362)
And yet you still see 3 umpires pivoting inside unnecessarily on balls hit to the outfield, when the ideal number doing so would be ZERO.

I may be wrong since I haven't been to a SE Region LL clinic recently. But I believe they're teaching for four-man on the small field for U1 and U3 to NOT pivot inside; rather, they should just drift in through foul territory, and then take a step inside to make a call at their bases.

Rita C Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:39am

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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 902339)
Dst8ada, it has been my experience that most of the umpires chosen for higher level LL assignments have not had any HS or above experience. There is only one umpire that I know of that has done high level HS games as well as LL games, and that is out of about 20 or so umpires that I am acquainted with that have done Regional and WS games for LL.

You might say 'we don't want robots' but that is what is being represented on the field. It's hard to argue with evidence.

If I'm not the one, make that two, Bob

Rita

rbmartin Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902362)
There's no reason a U2 needs to come inside.

Ripken League suggests to us to always stay outside on an undersize field. I do it just like FED Ladies softball.

Rich Mon Aug 12, 2013 03:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 902382)
Ripken League suggests to us to always stay outside on an undersize field. I do it just like FED Ladies softball.

I'm talking about making all calls at second from the outside, even on base hits to the outfield. Go opposite the batted ball, get a 90-degree angle to the throw, take the play from there.

At the regional last year I was amazed at how many people pivoted in as U1 just like they would in a 2-umpire crew.

SethPDX Mon Aug 12, 2013 04:03pm

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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 902359)
I recall doing a LL State tournament years ago, and the tournament UIC from the host league received permission to use his local umpires as LFUs and RFUs, as a form of gratitude for their volunteerism during the regular season.

It's even better (worse) at the softball World Series that's held in Portland. The umpires that aren't working the bases or plate all get to do a foul line during the championship game. They rotate in every couple innings. This way they can all say they were on the championship game, no matter how good or bad they were.

At our district tournaments we use crews of 3 at most. To me that's all you really need on a small diamond anyway. When we're invited to send umpires to a state tournament we send a crew of 3 as well (the district sending the crew chooses the size of the crew).

Rich Mon Aug 12, 2013 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 902398)
It's even better (worse) at the softball World Series that's held in Portland. The umpires that aren't working the bases or plate all get to do a foul line during the championship game. They rotate in every couple innings. This way they can all say they were on the championship game, no matter how good or bad they were.

At our district tournaments we use crews of 3 at most. To me that's all you really need on a small diamond anyway. When we're invited to send umpires to a state tournament we send a crew of 3 as well (the district sending the crew chooses the size of the crew).

Senior Baseball World Series final they did the same. Infield umpires stayed the same, line guys rotated in. They were given the option to not work the game instead and IIRC, one or two guys figured since they weren't in the infield that they wouldn't bother working.

Some good umpires got left out and were somewhat unhappy. But only 4 umpires of 12 could work the infield.

Manny A Tue Aug 13, 2013 05:36am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902399)
Senior Baseball World Series final they did the same. Infield umpires stayed the same, line guys rotated in. They were given the option to not work the game instead and IIRC, one or two guys figured since they weren't in the infield that they wouldn't bother working.

Some good umpires got left out and were somewhat unhappy. But only 4 umpires of 12 could work the infield.

Frankly, I think that's a silly practice. The championship game should go to the top six umpires, and that's it. If the remaining umpires weren't good enough to make the crew, then so be it; it's the nature of the beast. Allowing them to rotate into the lines devalues the positions. And heaven forbid that the 12th-rated umpire out of 12 blows a fair/foul or catch/no catch call at a critical juncture in the game.

I vaguely recall years ago during the LLWS when a LL umpire from Canada failed to see a home run that hit the foul pole. I think he ruled that the ball never left the field and hit the fence, or maybe he ruled it foul, I can't really remember. Imagine something like that happening in a regional championship game where instant replay is not used to correct, and the call is made by an umpire who just came in from the cold late in the game.

Regardless of how good this umpire is, the perception would be that the call was made by someone who wasn't focused because he just entered. I could hear the ESPN announcers now, lamenting, "Hey, that umpire wasn't the same guy who made the catch call in the third inning! What's going on here?" Why deal with that hassle?

It's an honor to work the final game, and that honor should be bestowed on the best of the best. JMO

MD Longhorn Tue Aug 13, 2013 09:17am

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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 902443)
Allowing them to rotate into the lines devalues the positions.

I had to laugh at this. I believe everyone here considers the RFU and LFU to be completely worthless and un-needed for a LL game, no matter the magnitude of the game.

So allowing them to rotate devalues something we would all consider valueless. Had to laugh. :) :)

Manny A Tue Aug 13, 2013 09:56am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 902461)
I had to laugh at this. I believe everyone here considers the RFU and LFU to be completely worthless and un-needed for a LL game, no matter the magnitude of the game.

So allowing them to rotate devalues something we would all consider valueless. Had to laugh. :) :)

Well, I didn't want to go there, but I agree with you. There's no reason for them other than to mimic the big boys. And even there it is overkill. :p

Steven Tyler Thu Aug 15, 2013 02:55am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902362)
There's no reason a U2 needs to come inside. It's easy to get a 90-degree angle to the throw on the outside and make a call at second. It's how I umpire when I work U2 in any game, including LL games.

And yet you still see 3 umpires pivoting inside unnecessarily on balls hit to the outfield, when the ideal number doing so would be ZERO.

I've seen worse in a Texas playoff series. It was a third round series which is halfway to the state final.

The four man crew came out dressed in red shirts. The very first batter hit a fly ball to centerfield, and HPU came busting out to the pitcher's mound to make the catch signal.............It was downhill after that. Missed rotations, missed balks, etc.

I was sitting next to the scout/coach for the team the winner would face. I said, "Do you want that same crew for you series?" He shook his head, and said, "No. That is one of the first things I'm going to tell my head coach about. Close plays can go either way, but we at least want somebody that knows where to be on a close play."

I don't blame him.

MD Longhorn Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 902598)
I've seen worse in a Texas playoff series. It was a third round series which is halfway to the state final.

The four man crew came out dressed in red shirts. The very first batter hit a fly ball to centerfield, and HPU came busting out to the pitcher's mound to make the catch signal.............It was downhill after that. Missed rotations, missed balks, etc.

I was sitting next to the scout/coach for the team the winner would face. I said, "Do you want that same crew for you series?" He shook his head, and said, "No. That is one of the first things I'm going to tell my head coach about. Close plays can go either way, but we at least want somebody that knows where to be on a close play."

I don't blame him.

Wondering if this was my "TIE" caller guy from earlier. And I suspect I know who the PU at the mound guy was too.

Multiple Sports Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:30pm

I can't take these guys !!!!!!
 
Started watching Panama and Puerto Rico yesterday and guy behind dish made me sick........

Passed ball runner scores from third and there is no play on runner, umpire gives us a safe signal......

In 2nd inning kid swings at strike three and umpires "rings him up", wouldn't just a simple closed fist suffice with no theatrics ?????

Am I nit picking ???? Those things make me cringe !!!!!

Multiple Sports Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 902357)
Why is doing HS/Fed ball some sort of benchmark? I'm watching more HS ball, as my son is now a Varsity coach, and at least around here, the quality is hit and miss.

Most guys that I know that get a shot at LL TV games, at least out here in the West, are also doing Adult wood bat, older travel, college summer league, etc. Weekend stuff, but not HS as they have real, 9-5 jobs that preclude them from working those 3pm games.

I am a firm believer that what is taught at the hs level will make umpires better than the wood bat / older travel / weekend stuff umpire. Most of the hs guys are doing other sports and they learn how to "run a game" ( manage ).

Coaches at the youth and those other levels are usually parents and they just scream, for example they don't walk on to the field and discuss calls, they simply yell "get help" ( sure sign of wreck ball ). And let's face it, those umpires at that level are mostly in it it for the money and don't like to make the "tough" call
as they want to come back and work every weekend ...... in other words they umpire because they want everyone to be their friend.....

As an assigner for hs ball and "summer ball", I have been able to keep my "summer ball" contracts for 15 years because I only use hs guys !!!!! While the coaches at 13 get a little upset because the zones are a bit smaller and we don't "get help" on every play, by the time these teams are playing 14 U the coaches get it as they see the same zone called in hs......

UMP45 Fri Aug 16, 2013 03:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 902598)
I've seen worse in a Texas playoff series. It was a third round series which is halfway to the state final.

The four man crew came out dressed in red shirts. The very first batter hit a fly ball to centerfield, and HPU came busting out to the pitcher's mound to make the catch signal.............It was downhill after that. Missed rotations, missed balks, etc.

I was sitting next to the scout/coach for the team the winner would face. I said, "Do you want that same crew for you series?" He shook his head, and said, "No. That is one of the first things I'm going to tell my head coach about. Close plays can go either way, but we at least want somebody that knows where to be on a close play."

I don't blame him.

Is there a reason why you wanted to "bad mouth" your "brothers" to the coach? All I can do is shake my head.

RPatrino Fri Aug 16, 2013 06:31pm

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Originally Posted by UMP45 (Post 902726)
Is there a reason why you wanted to "bad mouth" your "brothers" to the coach? All I can do is shake my head.

I agree, why would you ask a coach that kind of question? :mad:

Rita C Fri Aug 16, 2013 09:51pm

Couldn't resist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 902707)
Started watching Panama and Puerto Rico yesterday and guy behind dish made me sick........

Passed ball runner scores from third and there is no play on runner, umpire gives us a safe signal......

In 2nd inning kid swings at strike three and umpires "rings him up", wouldn't just a simple closed fist suffice with no theartrics ?????

Am I knit picking ???? Those things make me cringe !!!!!

That would be "nit" picking

Multiple Sports Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:45pm

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Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 902734)
That would be "nit" picking

Rightfully deserved !!!!

You got me.......:D:D:D

Moosie74 Sat Aug 17, 2013 07:14am

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Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 902398)
It's even better (worse) at the softball World Series that's held in Portland. The umpires that aren't working the bases or plate all get to do a foul line during the championship game. They rotate in every couple innings. This way they can all say they were on the championship game, no matter how good or bad they were.

I worked the LL Softball World Series, I did my inning on the RFL for the championship game, I did not during the game or any time since feel like I worked in the championship game even though I made 2 out calls on two trouble balls.

If anyone asks, I was the 3rd base umpire in the semi-final game, that was the last game I worked in the world series.

In the junior baseball regional last year I worked the LFU in the first championship game, stayed there for all 7 innings, that is the only way I would have wanted it and I count it that way. I was U3 on the if game, it's just an assignment.

RPatrino Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:20am

Puerto Rico vs. Australia....PU...OMG.

Wow, just wow! The crazy man strike call and the Eric Gregg zone. This game is going to be funnnnnn....he's very quick too.:eek:

dave5857 Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:17pm

Umpire Timing
 
Hey Blues! Slow down. I'm seeing way too many umps throwing the hand up before the catcher even catches the ball.

For those Blues who insist on not getting down where you can see the corners, don't call the corners. All you're doing is guessing/assuming it hit the corner, and I've seen way too many calls missed! You got to the LLWS based on your years service. In all those years, I would have hoped to see better mechanics. But, I guess LL will never have a mini clinic a couple of weeks before the regionals start, to help weed out those who aren't up to the standard of calling World Series games.

Forest Ump Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:41pm

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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 902746)
Puerto Rico vs. Australia....PU...OMG.

Wow, just wow! The crazy man strike call and the Eric Gregg zone. This game is going to be funnnnnn....he's very quick too.:eek:

I saw that too, Bob. He rung up some kid with a turn to his right and just held his arm out there for like 5 seconds. Pretty bad. Apparently he didn't learn how to indicate a foul tip either.

Now with all that has been said about LL umpires, we had a guy from our college group work the plate at the LL world series last year. He didn't fit the mold of these other guys we have seen on TV. He was pretty damn good.

RPatrino Sat Aug 17, 2013 01:08pm

Steve, the exceptions are few and far between. So far, I have only seen one PU that called a great game. The base and line umps have been marginal at best. I hope that they whittle the crews down to the best for the final rounds of the series. This is a showcase event for LL and they should be showcasing the best of the best in their umpire world. They clearly aren't or they clearly don't know how to define excellence in umpiring.

UMP45 Sat Aug 17, 2013 01:59pm

No LL simply doesn't care whether the umpires are good or not. Remember they have Instant Replay!

grunewar Sat Aug 17, 2013 02:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 902746)
Puerto Rico vs. Australia....PU...OMG.

Wow, just wow! The crazy man strike call and the Eric Gregg zone. This game is going to be funnnnnn....he's very quick too.:eek:

Agreed. Catcher would set up behind the other batter's box and the pitcher hit the mitt. K!

Wow, just wow is right!

Rich Ives Sat Aug 17, 2013 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 902754)
Agreed. Catcher would set up behind the other batter's box and the pitcher hit the mitt. K!

Zone was too wide outside but as to your assertion above:

Not while I was watching - except once when the catcher reached back to the plate to catch what was obviously a strike.

Rich Sat Aug 17, 2013 03:30pm

I've watched 10 minutes of the LLWS. Japan game yesterday. The place guy was flinching on every pitch, his head was moving on every pitch, you could flip a coin on balls/strikes, and his positioning on a play at the plate was the one place where he got blocked -- and he did -- and then replay inexplicably didn't overturn the missed call.

I've had enough for the year, I think. I'll probably watch the plate game of the one guy there I know and like and again if he gets the plate in a playoff game or the final. Other than that, it's football season.

hbk314 Sat Aug 17, 2013 05:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 902755)
Zone was too wide outside but as to your assertion above:

Not while I was watching - except once when the catcher reached back to the plate to catch what was obviously a strike.

Funny Umpire - YouTube

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/PuHYv92BCnI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

jicecone Sat Aug 17, 2013 06:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 902755)
Zone was too wide outside but as to your assertion above:

Not while I was watching - except once when the catcher reached back to the plate to catch what was obviously a strike.

That was Leslie Nielsen's younger brother, wasn't it?

lawump Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:09pm

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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 902757)
Funny Umpire - YouTube

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/PuHYv92BCnI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Seriously, don't start the video. Just look at that picture...and tell me that that is not Angel Hernandez in a LL umpire's uniform! Cleveland's HRs upend A's - SFGate

lawump Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 902746)
Puerto Rico vs. Australia....PU...OMG.

Wow, just wow! The crazy man strike call and the Eric Gregg zone. This game is going to be funnnnnn....he's very quick too.:eek:

I'm at home doing my "honey do" list when my phone started going off with texts from several college umpire buddies all wanting to know if I was watching this game. Not good.

Rich Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 902757)
Funny Umpire - YouTube

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Oh, good God. That pitch was in the other batter's box. And the announcers pretended it was a perfect pitch, to boot.

And Strike 3 was a clinic in how not to work the plate.

lawump Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:20pm

And now I just watched U2 brush off second base. I give up.

Multiple Sports Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:21pm

Iowa / Michigan
 
At least PU in this game looks like this isn't his first rodeo.....he gets my vote for the dish in the 'ship !!!!! ( At least compared to everything else I have seen )

Multiple Sports Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawump (Post 902764)
I'm at home doing my "honey do" list when my phone started going off with texts from several college umpire buddies all wanting to know if I was watching this game. Not good.

" Honey do " list on a saturday night ???????;);););)

RPatrino Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 902767)
At least PU in this game looks like this isn't his first rodeo.....he gets my vote for the dish in the 'ship !!!!! ( At least compared to everything else I have seen )

Good solid (GD) stance! Timing is good, somewhat inconsistent zone at times, but still a very good job!

Rich Sat Aug 17, 2013 09:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawump (Post 902766)
And now I just watched U2 brush off second base. I give up.

Brushes are OK as long as they're only used to brush out the pegs under the safety bases if the bases get dislodged. If he used it on top of the base, well...

umpjim Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902770)
Brushes are OK as long as they're only used to brush out the pegs under the safety bases if the bases get dislodged. If he used it on top of the base, well...

There are numerous designs of safety bases. That being said, knowing that safety bases are being used would not make me think about taking a brush on the field. In fact, the magnetic bases might require a broom. In any case, what i have seen and do is kick whatever dirt interfers with putting the base back and dropping it on the appropriate spot. There gonna come loose the next time no matter what you do. Most of the time I let the player, offense or defense do it.

Manny A Sun Aug 18, 2013 07:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902765)
Oh, good God. That pitch was in the other batter's box. And the announcers pretended it was a perfect pitch, to boot.

And Strike 3 was a clinic in how not to work the plate.

I don't like bashing umpires, but this gentleman was clearly in serious need of basic PU training. Notwithstanding his poor judgment and goofy strike calls, his slot moved as the catcher moved. It's as if he felt his proper positioning was just over the catcher's inside shoulder, no matter where the catcher set up. So he ended up behind the opposite batter's box for that last strike.

They tell us to do what got you here when you get picked to work high-level games. But this is something that has to be fixed before an umpire steps out onto the field. Some kind of assessment should be done of these ladies and gentlemen before the series starts. Williamsport is only bringing ridicule upon itself to let something like this go without making an attempt to remedy beforehand.

aceholleran Sun Aug 18, 2013 08:39am

This poor codger is an embarrassment. Funny part is, if you watch Jr., Sr. or Big League tourneys, you'll see competent arbiters using standard mechanics.

THE BIG QUESTION: How come THESE guys aren't in W-port? My guess is that they're not old enough, not in with the right crowd, don't have rabbis or are simply JUST TOO GOOD.

Ace

kylejt Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:56am

Nowadays, Williamsport could require video of every umpire that was being considered by all the Regionals for TV games. That way they could screen them for mechanics, game management, and if they can see their belt buckle when they look down (or at least their shoes, for Gosh sakes).

RPatrino Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 902800)
Nowadays, Williamsport could require video of every umpire that was being considered by all the Regionals for TV games. That way they could screen them for mechanics, game management, and if they can see their belt buckle when they look down (or at least their shoes, for Gosh sakes).

Last I knew, all the umpires are nominated by their District Admininstrator, have done numerous District, Divisional, State and Regional Tournaments. They have been seen and everyone knows how they umpire. There are generally no surprises at W'Port. I don't think a guy could become so completely unraveled to the point of incompetence.

Rita C Sun Aug 18, 2013 02:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 902772)
There are numerous designs of safety bases. That being said, knowing that safety bases are being used would not make me think about taking a brush on the field. In fact, the magnetic bases might require a broom. In any case, what i have seen and do is kick whatever dirt interfers with putting the base back and dropping it on the appropriate spot. There gonna come loose the next time no matter what you do. Most of the time I let the player, offense or defense do it.


My league uses those bases. Trust me when I say, you want a broom.

Rita

SethPDX Sun Aug 18, 2013 07:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceholleran (Post 902792)
This poor codger is an embarrassment. Funny part is, if you watch Jr., Sr. or Big League tourneys, you'll see competent arbiters using standard mechanics.

THE BIG QUESTION: How come THESE guys aren't in W-port? My guess is that they're not old enough, not in with the right crowd, don't have rabbis or are simply JUST TOO GOOD.

Ace

Maybe those guys like working the upper levels more. I know I do. Being picked for Williamsport would be nice but it's not a huge deal for me. I'd rather get to the Word Series for a level I have fun working.

Maybe they were also smart and applied at levels where they knew they'd get picked much quicker. I got my (upper division) regional the second year I put in for it.

Adam Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:28pm

Jose Canseco seems to agree:

Former MLB slugger Canseco bashes Little League World Series umpires

Manny A Mon Aug 19, 2013 09:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 902802)
Last I knew, all the umpires are nominated by their District Admininstrator, have done numerous District, Divisional, State and Regional Tournaments. They have been seen and everyone knows how they umpire. There are generally no surprises at W'Port. I don't think a guy could become so completely unraveled to the point of incompetence.

This umpire is not from the US, and I don't know how diligent other countries screen their umpires before nominating them to the different series. Williamsport reserves four of the LLWS umpire slots to international candidates, so some of them may not go through the same thorough process as their US counterparts.

STL_UMP Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 902757)
Funny Umpire - YouTube

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ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE!!
I'll be the first to admit that I'm an amateur with a capitol A but man o man. What is that guy thinking? I've seen first year umpires set up better than that.
That just scary on so many levels. That's not even funny. It's just sad.

Justice23 Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:58am

PU in the Australia/Texas game just missed a UK3 mechanic. He called strike 3 but never gave the safe sign.

Good heads up play by the Aussie runner since the defense was confused because of the no call.

REFANDUMP Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:00pm

I'd like to see that strike zone box on the screen with this guy. They'd probably have to have an arrow pointing off the screen to show where those two pitches were. :eek::eek::eek:

Manny A Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justice23 (Post 902849)
PU in the Australia/Texas game just missed a UK3 mechanic. He called strike 3 but never gave the safe sign.

And just what is the UK3 mechanic in Little League? Is it really the safe sign?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justice23 (Post 902849)
Good heads up play by the Aussie runner since the defense was confused because of the no call.

That's indicative of a poorly-coached defense, not an umpire mistake. There's no excuse for a team to make it to Williamsport and be confused by this.

PeteBooth Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:13pm

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest Ump (Post 902750)

Now with all that has been said about LL umpires, we had a guy from our college group work the plate at the LL world series last year. He didn't fit the mold of these other guys we have seen on TV. He was pretty damn good.


You cannot have it both ways.

LL is supposed to be about Volunteering. If you were ever a UIC or a scheduler of umpires for a given LL season, you have your guys / gals that you can count on. They might not necessarily be the best but they are willing and able.

Then you get to the districts / sates etc. etc. and then the Distric administrator gets involved and brings in their "heavy-weights"

The "other group" who busts their buts all year round gets nothing or at the very least maybe a couple of first / second round All Star games at best.

Then we wonder why ABC LL organization can't get umpires. Hey it's ok for me to work games all week maybe 3-4 games on Saturday but when the "big" games come I am not good enough.

You said it best "we had a guy from our college group"

This guy should be polished.

I am not saying this college umpire did not donate games for free to LL but if he was doing college ball he was not there each and every night.

Also, LLWS umpire bashing has been going on for quite some time now. In a Forum I used to visit quite frequently (eteamz) it was a yearly event.

The problem: LL "sold their sole" to the network

Instead of LL doing the right thing and pay for umpires, they want to "hide" behind the notion that it's all Volunteer but when the "show" starts they want the cream of the crop umpires. I too knew some college guys that umpired at the districts etc. Yeah they were good but they should have been.

In a nutshell you "cannot have your cake and eat it to" If it's truly volunteer then allow the guys / gals who bust their butts all year to officiate, otherwise simply pay for the officials.

Pete Booth

Justice23 Mon Aug 19, 2013 01:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 902854)
And just what is the UK3 mechanic in Little League? Is it really the safe sign?

It's the safe sign with an optional verbal "no catch" or the strike point held until there is an out. Correct?

Quote:

That's indicative of a poorly-coached defense, not an umpire mistake. There's no excuse for a team to make it to Williamsport and be confused by this.
I think it is understandable when the PU makes the 3rd strike mechanic then stands there. YMMV.

RPatrino Mon Aug 19, 2013 01:09pm

Pete, when I was UIC for a league several years ago we used to use the local HS association umpires for our SR/Big League games and yes, we paid them for it. It was very difficult to get competent 90' umpires for those levels. We supplemented them with a few LL volunteers (myself included). I don't think I ever was looked upon with favor by the true "volunteer only" purists in our district because of hiring 'outsiders' to do LL games.

Rich Mon Aug 19, 2013 03:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 902855)
You cannot have it both ways.

LL is supposed to be about Volunteering. If you were ever a UIC or a scheduler of umpires for a given LL season, you have your guys / gals that you can count on. They might not necessarily be the best but they are willing and able.

Then you get to the districts / sates etc. etc. and then the Distric administrator gets involved and brings in their "heavy-weights"

The "other group" who busts their buts all year round gets nothing or at the very least maybe a couple of first / second round All Star games at best.

Then we wonder why ABC LL organization can't get umpires. Hey it's ok for me to work games all week maybe 3-4 games on Saturday but when the "big" games come I am not good enough.

You said it best "we had a guy from our college group"

This guy should be polished.

I am not saying this college umpire did not donate games for free to LL but if he was doing college ball he was not there each and every night.

Also, LLWS umpire bashing has been going on for quite some time now. In a Forum I used to visit quite frequently (eteamz) it was a yearly event.

The problem: LL "sold their sole" to the network

Instead of LL doing the right thing and pay for umpires, they want to "hide" behind the notion that it's all Volunteer but when the "show" starts they want the cream of the crop umpires. I too knew some college guys that umpired at the districts etc. Yeah they were good but they should have been.

In a nutshell you "cannot have your cake and eat it to" If it's truly volunteer then allow the guys / gals who bust their butts all year to officiate, otherwise simply pay for the officials.

Pete Booth

Pete, your post is full of crap, in 2 ways.

(1) I give away over a month of prime money games every year to volunteer during the LL tournaments. I should be thought of as no less a volunteer because I work college baseball in the spring than these umpires are. In the end, we all meet the LL criteria for post-season assignments.

(2) Cream of the crop? Have you been watching the LLWS this year? :rolleyes:

PeteBooth Mon Aug 19, 2013 03:36pm

[QUOTE][QUOTE]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902873)
Pete, your post is full of crap, in 2 ways.

(1) I give away over a month of prime money games every year to volunteer during the LL tournaments. I should be thought of as no less a volunteer because I work college baseball in the spring than these umpires are. In the end, we all meet the LL criteria for post-season assignments.

Rich you made my point by saying during the LL tournaments That was my point.

What about the regular season? You come in during the tournaments which I also do, but if I was one of those regular season umpires and did not get any Tournament games because you and other college / FED umpires wanted them I would not like it and I do not think you would either.

My main point is this

It's LL and it should be umpired by the people who officiate day in and day out no matter how bad / good BUT LL has sold out to TV.

Also, here most are bashing the LLWS umps

We had a PRO umpire this year allow a pitching change without the original F1 throwing a pitch a basic rule.

Pete Booth

MD Longhorn Mon Aug 19, 2013 04:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 902861)
Pete, when I was UIC for a league several years ago we used to use the local HS association umpires for our SR/Big League games and yes, we paid them for it. It was very difficult to get competent 90' umpires for those levels. We supplemented them with a few LL volunteers (myself included). I don't think I ever was looked upon with favor by the true "volunteer only" purists in our district because of hiring 'outsiders' to do LL games.

And I've been the "hired outsider" numerous times and am constantly baffled by the utter lack of umpiring coming from my partners. Including "TIE!!!!" from one of the guys, and including 2 umpires at 2nd base, both of whom missed a blatant (collision) obstruction near first. I could go on.

Let's just leave it at this ... if you want volunteers, fine. But in umpiring as everywhere else, you get what you pay for.

robbie Mon Aug 19, 2013 06:10pm

I doubt LL asked any of you for your opinions on their umpiring - although you are entitled to them....................

Rita C Mon Aug 19, 2013 08:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 902854)
And just what is the UK3 mechanic in Little League? Is it really the safe sign?

That is what is being taught.

Rita

Rich Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:25pm

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;902878][QUOTE]
Quote:


Rich you made my point by saying during the LL tournaments That was my point.

What about the regular season? You come in during the tournaments which I also do, but if I was one of those regular season umpires and did not get any Tournament games because you and other college / FED umpires wanted them I would not like it and I do not think you would either.

My main point is this

It's LL and it should be umpired by the people who officiate day in and day out no matter how bad / good BUT LL has sold out to TV.

Also, here most are bashing the LLWS umps

We had a PRO umpire this year allow a pitching change without the original F1 throwing a pitch a basic rule.

Pete Booth
The local leagues pay their umpires during the season. Mostly teenagers.

Rich Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbie (Post 902892)
I doubt LL asked any of you for your opinions on their umpiring - although you are entitled to them....................

We sure are. Not sure what the point of your post is, though.

Manny A Tue Aug 20, 2013 04:46am

I watched a few innings of the Taiwan/Puerto Rico elimination game yesterday. I believe the same umpire from the video in post #53 did the plate for this one. Someone must have given him a good critique of his first game, because he tightened up his zone; in fact, at times it seemed too tight. But it was certainly much improved.

briancurtin Tue Aug 20, 2013 09:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 902901)

The local leagues pay their umpires during the season. Mostly teenagers.

This is how I got my start, for whatever it's worth. I was making $20 on the bases, $25 on the plate, for a $45 DH. Sometimes I'd just do two plates if the other kid didn't want to suit up.

When tournament time came, any of us who had our head halfway screwed on and saved enough of that cash to call up +POS and order a shirt and pants would sometimes work the District tourneys as volunteers. Here and there one of us would make it to Sectionals (or whatever's after District). I think this was partly because we had a few full-time volunteers who were trusted and able to vouch for us.

Welpe Tue Aug 20, 2013 09:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 902917)
This is how I got my start, for whatever it's worth. I was making $20 on the bases, $25 on the plate, for a $45 DH. Sometimes I'd just do two plates if the other kid didn't want to suit up.

When tournament time came, any of us who had our head halfway screwed on and saved enough of that cash to call up +POS and order a shirt and pants would sometimes work the District tourneys as volunteers. Here and there one of us would make it to Sectionals (or whatever's after District). I think this was partly because we had a few full-time volunteers who were trusted and able to vouch for us.

This is almost exactly how I got my start. Calling Little League for cash was a great gig as a teenager and beat the pants off of working a real job. We had a pretty good cadre of adult and older high school umps that helped bring us along. We always sent several to at least Districts each year though it never occurred to me to try and make it above that.

PeteBooth Tue Aug 20, 2013 09:41am

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbie (Post 902892)
I doubt LL asked any of you for your opinions on their umpiring - although you are entitled to them....................


I echo Rich Not certain of what your point is.

The point of having a discussion Forum is for all to share their opinions whether you like them or not.

Pete Booth

Multiple Sports Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:20pm

The game deserves the best it can get........
 
[QUOTE=PeteBooth;902878][QUOTE]
Quote:


Rich you made my point by saying during the LL tournaments That was my point.

What about the regular season? You come in during the tournaments which I also do, but if I was one of those regular season umpires and did not get any Tournament games because you and other college / FED umpires wanted them I would not like it and I do not think you would either.

My main point is this

It's LL and it should be umpired by the people who officiate day in and day out no matter how bad / good BUT LL has sold out to TV.

Also, here most are bashing the LLWS umps

We had a PRO umpire this year allow a pitching change without the original F1 throwing a pitch a basic rule.

Pete Booth
Pete -

I totally disagree with your opinion. If supervisors at any level can get someone whom they feel is better the so be it.....

It happens at every level...

For example, your from NY so I will use this example. The guy that assigns the MAAC Conference for basketball uses three guys that work a lot of Big East games to work the final and those guys dont work a lotta of MAAC games during the season, but they are better than most of the other guys and maybe the supervisor trusts them.

You have only said that becasue you work all season long, that you are entitled to those games (playoffs). Don't the kids deserve the best officiating the league can get them regardless.

More often than not, those guys supervisors are bringing in are just more talented and sometimes as officials we need to accept that they may be better.....

Assigners face the challenge of availabilty vs. ability. AS someone who has assigned at the hs level for 15 yrs, I'll take ability all the time. And to the umpires who are honest with themselves they will admit that more often than not they aren't working a certain game because I have chosen someone better,,,,,

PeteBooth Tue Aug 20, 2013 01:22pm

[QUOTE][QUOTE=Multiple Sports;902937][QUOTE=PeteBooth;902878]
Quote:


Pete -

I totally disagree with your opinion. If supervisors at any level can get someone whom they feel is better the so be it.....

It happens at every level...

For example, your from NY so I will use this example. The guy that assigns the MAAC Conference for basketball uses three guys that work a lot of Big East games to work the final and those guys dont work a lotta of MAAC games during the season, but they are better than most of the other guys and maybe the supervisor trusts them.




You have only said that becasue you work all season long, that you are entitled to those games (playoffs). Don't the kids deserve the best officiating the league can get them regardless.
Disagreeing is all part of the Internet Umpire Doscussion Forum setting. If we all agreed it would be boring.

IMO, you are comparing Apples / Oranges

In the example you gave College officiating is a paid job and that's the way it's done. Same in HS once you get to the sectional / state level. You are chosen because of ratings.

LL is a Volunteer Organization and is different. It's ok to use "so and so" during the reg season but because the "stakes" are now higher we don't need them anymore?

What message are you sending? In the example you gave there is a plethora of officials waiting for their chance.

During a regular season LL game, try and find umpires. I was once one of those "parents from the stands umpires" , enjoyed it and took it a step further.

IMO, cannot compare college or even HS officiating to a volunteer organization. Like I said can't have it both ways.

Pete Booth

MD Longhorn Tue Aug 20, 2013 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 902943)
Like I said can't have it both ways.

Pete Booth

Except that LL insists on trying to do exactly that.

Like I said before, you get what you pay for. If you disagree, watch another game on TV until you agree. It's a mess. If you don't see the mess, you have put your blinders on and refuse to see.

tjones1 Tue Aug 20, 2013 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawump (Post 902763)
Seriously, don't start the video. Just look at that picture...and tell me that that is not Angel Hernandez in a LL umpire's uniform! Cleveland's HRs upend A's - SFGate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 902784)
I don't like bashing umpires, but this gentleman was clearly in serious need of basic PU training. Notwithstanding his poor judgment and goofy strike calls, his slot moved as the catcher moved. It's as if he felt his proper positioning was just over the catcher's inside shoulder, no matter where the catcher set up. So he ended up behind the opposite batter's box for that last strike.

They tell us to do what got you here when you get picked to work high-level games. But this is something that has to be fixed before an umpire steps out onto the field. Some kind of assessment should be done of these ladies and gentlemen before the series starts. Williamsport is only bringing ridicule upon itself to let something like this go without making an attempt to remedy beforehand.

This umpire also pounded his fists together and then touched his mask with two fingers (not all the time but often enough that I picked up on it). Probably doesn't realize he's doing it - but it looks bad.

Mrumpiresir Tue Aug 20, 2013 04:41pm

There's a lot of talk here about volunteers Vs higher quality umpires.

Bottom line is the vast majority of umpires I've seen have demonstrated a complete lack of training. There are, of course, exceptions but I would not trust most of these guys in a HS JV game.

MD Longhorn Tue Aug 20, 2013 04:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir (Post 902979)
There's a lot of talk here about volunteers Vs higher quality umpires.

Bottom line is the vast majority of umpires I've seen have demonstrated a complete lack of training. There are, of course, exceptions but I would not trust most of these guys in a HS JV game.

That's because you're mostly seeing untrained volunteers, or 20 year guys who have one year of experience repeated 20 times, rather than 20 years of experience. It's a monkey show, but who cares - they can replay everything.

RPatrino Tue Aug 20, 2013 06:07pm

I will say this, I took pride in my work when I volunteered for little league, and I take pride in my work when I get paid. It makes no difference to me. The little league umpires who I know and worked with all thought the same way. At the district level, we took pride in the clinics we ran and I will put any of our volunteer umpires up against any of these LLWS umpires across the board.

It is insulting to me that Little League would let things get so bad, and then hide behind the "they are only volunteer's" excuse and put in instant replay to fix the mistakes of the umpires they use. It's a sad state of affairs, in my opinion.

Sco53 Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:09am

The plate umpire on the Panama-Chinese Taipae game was wearing the +POS chest protector with all the plastic studs that show through the shirt. Great protection but boy was that thing heavy! He did a nice job with the strike zone, even though Nomar accused him of tightening up in the 6th inning.

grunewar Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sco53 (Post 903022)
He did a nice job with the strike zone, even though Nomar accused him of tightening up in the 6th inning.

Agree. From what I saw he was pretty consistant in his strike zone.

Some finish to this game......poor Taipea third basemen. :(

I did appreciate the sportsmanship at the end as the team from Chinese-Taipae bowed to the crowd in thanking them.

Manny A Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 902970)
This umpire also pounded his fists together and then touched his mask with two fingers (not all the time but often enough that I picked up on it). Probably doesn't realize he's doing it - but it looks bad.

I watched him do another plate game a couple of days ago, and saw him do this. I think it's some kind of quirky ritual to get him locked in.

CVLLBlue Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:16pm

MLB now will have instant replay challenges. Joe Torre says that there is an average of 3 blown calls for every 15 daily games or 20% of the games played. 89 reviewable plays vs 11 non-reviewable.
Does that make it a monkey show?
Is the difference is money for the teams and players when Little League only pays for transportation and housing for either to the show?
ABC pays 10's of millions of dollars to broadcast Little League every year. They and their sponsors obviously like the product because of the ratings it gets.
Granted, there is too much politics involved in the assignments, but Volunteer Umpires are part of Little League's overall program.
The only poor officiating analogy I can see make is why, unless a NBA Team is more down by more than 20 points with 5 minutes to go in a game, why do they end up so close? Did the players "dog it" until then or do the referees have poorer judgment?
JMHO


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