Miami / St.Louis.....not a force at third

[jicecone]

I agree and the only person besides the PU, closer to that tag, was Molina. His call was immediate and sellable. Having 1000 monitors, with instant replay is nice but, not one of those monitors or couch umpires have to make the instaneous decision like the PU.

[MD Longhorn]

I don't think anyone really has issue with the safe or out call, whether right or wrong on replay ... it's the calling of the out and also the allowing of the out at third that is really the issue.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I don't think anyone really has issue with the safe or out call, whether right or wrong on replay ... it's the calling of the out and also the allowing of the out at third that is really the issue.

The mechanics were poor, but the end result was correct, imo.

And, yes, I've used that explanation before to coaches. ;/

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The mechanics were poor, but the end result was correct, imo.

And, yes, I've used that explanation before to coaches. ;/

What is your justification for the out at third, Bob?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jicecone

What is your justification for the out at third, Bob?

See post #29. One of those two things would (likely) have happened.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See post #29. One of those two things would (likely) have happened.

I disagree with your tag-out/tag-out first option. We did have a tag-out at home. It was clearly signalled by the PU. F5 should have seen that, should have known that the force was off, and should have turned to tag R2. Why should he be given credit for an out at third when he had an unobstructed view of the PU's signal? It wasn't as if the PU came up late with the Out signal; he banged it as soon as he judged the tag was made.

Your second option of force-out/force-out might be viable if a legal tag never happened on the BR at home and one of the umpires could confidently state that during an umpire discussion. But there was nobody on that field that could have seen that as it played out and convince the PU that that happened.

Sure, it should have been an easy DP. But the way it played out, I think the correct result should have been BR out on the tag, and runner at third safe since the force was removed. No way R2 should be called out for abandonment for reacting to U3's erroneous call.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See post #29. One of those two things would (likely) have happened.

So your supporting the "abandonment" idea, by suggesting F5 made a tag, which is more in line with the "PLAY" in 7.08 a.2.

Isn't that a little like "if it don't fit , you have to aquit"

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The mechanics were poor, but the end result was correct, imo. ...

The One True Correct (tm) result is "Foul Ball".