Rays vs Redsox Play at the Plate (Video)

[grunewar]

Tough call costs Red Sox first place in AL East | For The Win

Not the best angle to look at this one.

[rbmartin]

I'm not sure why he allowed himself to get so far around toward 1st base side. Even if you're expecting a swipe tag, I don't think you would want to be THAT far past 3BX ..at least he owned up to it afterwards but this one hurts. Division 1-run game between 2 contenders.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

I'm not sure why he allowed himself to get so far around toward 1st base side. Even if you're expecting a swipe tag, I don't think you would want to be THAT far past 3BX ..at least he owned up to it afterwards but this one hurts. Division 1-run game between 2 contenders.

I'm not a baseball guy so I came here to see if the positioning was correct. It seems the standard angle would be from the 3rd base side. There are more calls for replay because of this play. What kind of issues would replay on safe/out calls like this cause?

Replay is good but it is such a slippery slope.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Even if you're expecting a swipe tag, I don't think you would want to be THAT far past 3BX

I personally wouldn't want to, but that's what they've been doing for a long time at that level. MLB tends to take these calls with a view over the left hip, not tied to the foul lines like most of us do. They do the same thing at second on balls coming from the outfield on a double. If everything went as expected, he'd be in a great spot and probably would have nailed the call and we'd never know about it. There's the downside - he still has to adjust

Look at the call in the Dodgers game the other day by Marquez (link). He was almost in fair territory when the swipe was made. Again, not something I'd do, but that's what they do and it works. I think most of us would be straight on 3BLX, but Marquez swung around with that same view of the tag to appear right over the left hip, nailed the safe call, then the play develops into a little dance.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

I know the clinicians will go ballistic over this, but I think he would have had a better look from the 1st base line extended. The view he had on this play has to be impaired when the catcher moves left to make the tag.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

I know the clinicians will go ballistic over this, but I think he would have had a better look from the 1st base line extended. The view he had on this play has to be impaired when the catcher moves left to make the tag.

why would clinicians go ballistic? It turns out to be a "crash" play, so 1BX is the right spot.

the question is, can you read that in time, or did he get too far to the right to make it back, etc.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

why would clinicians go ballistic? It turns out to be a "crash" play, so 1BX is the right spot.

the question is, can you read that in time, or did he get too far to the right to make it back, etc.

I'm not trying to be controversial, just want to ask the question because I don't know. With R3 and a sacrifice fly likely in that situation is the correct/standard positioning 3BX (where he was)? I guess what I'm asking is why he had to read that? Would the normal positioning be 3BX and then try moving closer to behind the plate or 1BX extended?

[David B]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

why would clinicians go ballistic? It turns out to be a "crash" play, so 1BX is the right spot.

the question is, can you read that in time, or did he get too far to the right to make it back, etc.

That makes sense although it seems lately more and more plate umpires are having trouble seeing over the left hip - another one missed last night - saw on sports center this morning - he was in the same position as the umpire in this play 3BX and had moved around towards the field etc.,

I don't remember the teams, think it was Davidson?? behind the plate?

Thanks
David