"Selling" Safe Call on Missed Bag during DP

[Forest Ump]

I like Lawump's idea. I would have done it this way also.

Originally Posted by martynva

P.S. If I had thought of it, I'd have told the Coach that "the league paid for three umpires to ensure we got that play right .... and I did." Truth be known, had it been 2-Man where I was in C and had to follow the play to 1B, it would have been harder to see the footwork. Who knows?

You would have done yourself a disservice had you said this. It would have been condesending and smug. Especially considering that the coach talked to you in a respectful way.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Forest Ump

I like Lawump's idea. I would have done it this way also.




You would have done yourself a disservice had you said this. It would have been condesending and smug. Especially considering that the coach talked to you in a respectful way.

I don't view ""That's a great baseball play, and in a game this important, you need to give him that out"" as being particularly respectful.

[David B]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't view ""That's a great baseball play, and in a game this important, you need to give him that out"" as being particularly respectful.

I agree with that interpretation - basically he was asking you to "cheat" for his team, that's disrespectful.

Also, PU should be watching this play also for an possible illegal slide - don't know what's he was watching for at 1B - there is an umpire there for the call.

Thanks
David

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by David B

I agree with that interpretation - basically he was asking you to "cheat" for his team, that's disrespectful.

Also, PU should be watching this play also for an possible illegal slide - don't know what's he was watching for at 1B - there is an umpire there for the call.

Thanks
David

U3 can get the illegal slide -- PU can help with pulled foot or swipe tag (even though the chances are less for this with U1 in A) or interference by BR or ...

[David B]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

U3 can get the illegal slide -- PU can help with pulled foot or swipe tag (even though the chances are less for this with U1 in A) or interference by BR or ...

I agree with your points there Bob that is good coverage issues for the PU, but you can be in position for that and also be watching the play at 2B was my point.

I was just responding to the OP where he said the PU said he didn't see the play etc.,

Thanks
David

[Rich]

Originally Posted by David B

I agree with that interpretation - basically he was asking you to "cheat" for his team, that's disrespectful.

Also, PU should be watching this play also for an possible illegal slide - don't know what's he was watching for at 1B - there is an umpire there for the call.

Thanks
David

In a 3-man crew? The PU was exactly where he was supposed to be -- trailing the batter-runner. U3 has everything at second since he does not have to turn to make a call at first.

[David B]

Originally Posted by Rich

In a 3-man crew? The PU was exactly where he was supposed to be -- trailing the batter-runner. U3 has everything at second since he does not have to turn to make a call at first.

Rich,

I agree he's where he's supposed to be, but I don't agree that from that same position he can't see the slide at second base. In his comments he basically said he wasn't watching the play - that is what I have issue with.

Thanks
David

[Rich]

Originally Posted by David B

Rich,

I agree he's where he's supposed to be, but I don't agree that from that same position he can't see the slide at second base. In his comments he basically said he wasn't watching the play - that is what I have issue with.

Thanks
David

If I'm the PU in a 3-man, I'm not even looking at the play at second. I'm following the BR, getting to the 45-foot line, and anticipating a reason to umpire.

With a U2/U3 there, there's NO WAY I'd EVER come in with an interference call, so why would I look?

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't view ""That's a great baseball play, and in a game this important, you need to give him that out"" as being particularly respectful.

I was concentrating on this; He said, "Coach asks for Time and comes out to discuss (very politely I must admit). " Even with that remark you pointed out, there is no need to "one up him" with a smart a$$ come back. It's not professional.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Forest Ump

I Even with that remark you pointed out, there is no need to "one up him" with a smart a$$ come back. It's not professional.

I agree with that part.

[CT1]

I'm gonna stir the pot on this one.

On such a play, where the middle infielder "catches ball with right foot 12" short of 2B, strides over the base, lands on other foot about 18" past base", I'm going to have an out. F6 hasn't gained any advantage, although his technique leaves something to be desired. And, as the OP points out, in a 2-man crew it's unlikely that U1 would even see this.

If he catches the ball *after* stepping over the base, I have no problem with the "safe" call.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by CT1

I'm gonna stir the pot on this one.

On such a play, where the middle infielder "catches ball with right foot 12" short of 2B, strides over the base, lands on other foot about 18" past base", I'm going to have an out. F6 hasn't gained any advantage, although his technique leaves something to be desired. And, as the OP points out, in a 2-man crew it's unlikely that U1 would even see this.

If he catches the ball *after* stepping over the base, I have no problem with the "safe" call.

CT1, Suppose a BR hits a home run and misses 2B by 12". The defense sees him miss the base and properly appeals. Are you going to call the BR safe or out? Same distance involved.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CT1

And, as the OP points out, in a 2-man crew it's unlikely that U1 would even see this.

I disagree on that point. U1 (2-person) shouldn't turn until the throw is released and that's plenty of time to see that the base wasn't touched by this much.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CT1

On such a play, where the middle infielder "catches ball with right foot 12" short of 2B, strides over the base, lands on other foot about 18" past base", I'm going to have an out.

That's really too bad. Feel free to call it that way when you make the show. Until then, your superiors at the highest levels of both OBR and FED have clearly told us not to call the out on a neighborhood play like this one.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

That's really too bad. Feel free to call it that way when you make the show. Until then, your superiors at the highest levels of both OBR and FED have clearly told us not to call the out on a neighborhood play like this one.

In the typical old-school "neighborhood" play, F6 glides *behind* the bag (not touching it) to avoid the sliding R1. And I agree that *that* play is what has gone by the wayside.

That's not what I envision happening here: F6 stepped directly *over* the bag, and as such was still exposed to R1.

Again, if F6 receives the throw *after* stepping over the base, I've got a "safe".