Incorrect call on replay review in Cleveland

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Sounds like he made a point of blaming the "TV" they had. I guess it was an old black and white with rabbit ears.

I picture them all looking at the replay on their individual I-phones.

[ozzy6900]

Did anyone ever think that maybe they are not looking at the same video that we are? I agree, that from the video we got to see, it was a HR but I cannot believe that 4 properly trained professionals can make such a bad call (by what we see).

JMHO

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

did anyone ever think that maybe they are not looking at the same video that we are? I agree, that from the video we got to see, it was a hr but i cannot believe that 4 properly trained professionals can make such a bad call (by what we see).

Jmho

+1

[MD Longhorn]

Good point, Oz. This may be ironic... but I bet if this was ANY other umpire, my initial thought would be about the technology - what replay did they see, is the monitor as good as my TV, etc.

But when I saw it was Hernandez, my initial thought was, "Arrogant Jack@$$ strikes again".

[dash_riprock]

I think 100% of the blame belongs to the designers of the stadium. How hard can it be to build the thing so that if a ball that goes over the fence, it's a home run, if it doesn't, it's in play. You don't need a camera for that. Yellow lines are for taxiways.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I think 100% of the blame belongs to the designers of the stadium. How hard can it be to build the thing so that if a ball that goes over the fence, it's a home run, if it doesn't, it's in play. You don't need a camera for that. Yellow lines are for taxiways.

Totally agree.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I think 100% of the blame belongs to the designers of the stadium. How hard can it be to build the thing so that if a ball that goes over the fence, it's a home run, if it doesn't, it's in play. You don't need a camera for that. Yellow lines are for taxiways.

So ... no railings (or for that matter, stairs ... seats ... etc) allowed in the outfield? This didn't hit a WALL above the yellow line (I do agree with you that having walls higher than the yellow line is simply stupid). This hit a hand-rail in the middle of the stairs that lead to the lower seats in that section. The rail was not attached to the fence, it was attached to the stairs.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I think 100% of the blame belongs to the designers of the stadium. How hard can it be to build the thing so that if a ball that goes over the fence, it's a home run, if it doesn't, it's in play. You don't need a camera for that. Yellow lines are for taxiways.

Come on Dash this is America, it is much easier to blame the Umpires than those, that really cause the problems. (Although I will admit, Hernandez must have been looking at one of those 4 inch TV's or Iphone, to not be able to see that it hit the railing.)

Watch, by the end of the season they will be screaming for Backup Replay for the Instant Replay System.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Angel is having a tough day in the national press.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Did anyone ever think that maybe they are not looking at the same video that we are? I agree, that from the video we got to see, it was a HR but I cannot believe that 4 properly trained professionals can make such a bad call (by what we see).

JMHO

With Angel Hernandez as the crew chief, I can honestly believe that any number of highly trained professionals would screw something up!

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Did anyone ever think that maybe they are not looking at the same video that we are? I agree, that from the video we got to see, it was a HR but I cannot believe that 4 properly trained professionals can make such a bad call (by what we see).

JMHO

Well, after speaking to an old friend who is not retired from MLB, the umpires have access to every camera that is in the park, so they should have seen the same thing that we did. I also understand that Joe Torre is having a discussion with the entire crew about this matter.

It seems that after the pitching change fiasco the other day, Joe Torre is fuming about the competency of the MLB umpires. After the last couple of seasons, I think he is right.

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Well, after speaking to an old friend who is not retired from MLB, the umpires have access to every camera that is in the park, so they should have seen the same thing that we did. I also understand that Joe Torre is having a discussion with the entire crew about this matter.

It seems that after the pitching change fiasco the other day, Joe Torre is fuming about the competency of the MLB umpires. After the last couple of seasons, I think he is right.

Is this the same Joe Torre who was cursing at the media after Game two of the World Series because all the media was asking him was about Clemens throwing a bat at Piazza?

[PeteBooth]

MLB has no-one to balme but themselves. Until they take an active and serious role in umpire development we will not get the "best of the best" officials.

They should take a page from the NFL. We saw what happened in the NFL when replacement officials were used. I'm no so certian there is that much of a drastic differrence between the Minor league officials and the MLB officials. The beiggest difference is they hardly ever get a chance.

Pete Booth

[bluehair]

I have no knowledge of business relationship between MLB and their umpires. But it has been suggested (elsewhere) that blame for there being no consequences for poor MLB umpire performance is on the collective bargaining agreement that umpires have with MLB. After the fiasco of 1999, I wonder if the umpire union has any real weight in these negotiations these days?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

MLB has no-one to balme but themselves. Until they take an active and serious role in umpire development we will not get the "best of the best" officials.

They should take a page from the NFL. We saw what happened in the NFL when replacement officials were used. I'm no so certian there is that much of a drastic differrence between the Minor league officials and the MLB officials. The beiggest difference is they hardly ever get a chance.

Pete Booth

Actually, MLB has dramatically improved their umpire development in the past few years. I can remember a time when there were "career" minor league umpires who clogged up the system & took spots from those trying to climb the ladder. Now, with injuries, in-season vacations & personal days-off, there are many more opportunities for rising AAA umpires to show what they can do in The Show.

The biggest difference (and it may not qualify as "drastic") between MLB and MiLB umpires is in the area of game management. As always, that requires lots of time to gain the necessary experience .