Running Lane Violation. No call.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Then you desperately need to re-read the rule. There CANNOT be RLI at this point. Period. In any rule set.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not a lot of rules make much sense when you only quote about 1/6 of it. Look at the entire rule ... specifically - what the runner must interfere with for us to rule interference.

FED-fielder or throw
NCAA-fielder
MLB-fielder

Sorry, my point earlier was FED on the throw, we are talking NCAA. But you said not in any rule set. Would I be correct in FED RLI can be called on the throw?

When did I say the double clutch was a reason to call a RLV? I was describing the play in question!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

FED-fielder or throw
NCAA-fielder
MLB-fielder

Sorry, my point earlier was FED on the throw, we are talking NCAA. But you said not in any rule set. Would I be correct in FED RLI can be called on the throw?

When did I say the double clutch was a reason to call a RLV? I was describing the play in question!

Exactly. The double clutch is irrelevant. If you're taking that into account in making your ruling, you're wrong. If you think you can call INT as early as "right after the double-clutch" or "right after the throw is made", you are also wrong. Even in FED.

The runner still has to interfere to be guilty of interference.

For example, if the catcher double clutches, then throws, and the runner beats a good throw anyway - no INT. Or if the catcher DC's and throws, and the runner is back in the lane before he affects the first baseman at all - again, no INT.

I'll say this again. Running out of the lane is not illegal. INTERFERING while out of the lane is illegal. (And in FED, being the CAUSE of a bad throw while out of the lane is also illegal).

[thumpferee]

Your last statement is what I was looking for MD.

The double clutch is irrelevant, was just a little giveaway that runner may have been out of the lane is all.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Your last statement is what I was looking for MD.

The double clutch is irrelevant, was just a little giveaway that runner may have been out of the lane is all.

Cool.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

FED-fielder or throw
NCAA-fielder
MLB-fielder

Sorry, my point earlier was FED on the throw, we are talking NCAA. But you said not in any rule set. Would I be correct in FED RLI can be called on the throw?

This year NCAA added an A.R. to 7.11.p - the running-lane rule - which is identical to OBR 6.05(k),(except for the new A.R.):

"If the batter-runner is outside the running lane and alters the throw or interferes with the attempted catch of the thrown ball or is hit by the throw, the batter-runner shall be called out."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

This year NCAA added an A.R. to 7.11.p - the running-lane rule - which is identical to OBR 6.05(k),(except for the new A.R.):

"If the batter-runner is outside the running lane and alters the throw or interferes with the attempted catch of the thrown ball or is hit by the throw, the batter-runner shall be called out."

Yes, but the "alters the throw" part doesn't mean what it does in FED. We still aren't to reward a poor throw in NCAA.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, but the "alters the throw" part doesn't mean what it does in FED. We still aren't to reward a poor throw in NCAA.

Agreed. I'm not sure what those words mean. How do you alter a quality throw?

[thumpferee]

It seems FED wants to penalize no matter what!

In bigger boy ball, make a play!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Agreed. I'm not sure what those words mean. How do you alter a quality throw?

Here's what I took from the discussion:

Old rule: "... interferes with the fielder."

Play: Throw hits runner outside lane; interference is called.

Rat: "But the runner didn't interfere with the fielder since the ball never got there."

Rules committee: Let's add to the rule.

[bluehair]

I always could justify RLI if the ball hit B when he's outside the RL. The "alters the throw" part seems to be the addition to RLI criteria.

If NCAA came out with this A.R. doesn't that imply that they want RLI called more often (like on the play in the video)...to penalize the cheaters ?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bluehair

I always could justify RLI if the ball hit B when he's outside the RL. The "alters the throw" part seems to be the addition to RLI criteria.

If NCAA came out with this A.R. doesn't that imply that they want RLI called more often (like on the play in the video)...to penalize the cheaters ?

NCAA said they had "expanded" the interference penalty with the A.R.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

FED-fielder or throw
NCAA-fielder
MLB-fielder

Sorry, my point earlier was FED on the throw, we are talking NCAA. But you said not in any rule set. Would I be correct in FED RLI can be called on the throw?

When did I say the double clutch was a reason to call a RLV? I was describing the play in question!

In FED you might be able to get away with RLV on the play posted, but I wouldn't call it more than likely. Throw was very catchable. If the throw had been somewhat higher, would be 50/50 on me calling a RLV