Stepping on Plate - FED v OBR

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Both.

Can't have both unless it was Ball Four. A dead-ball Ball award means he stays at the plate, just as if he made no attempt to avoid the pitch.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Manny A

A dead-ball Ball award means he stays at the plate, just as if he made no attempt to avoid the pitch.

If he stays at the plate, there is no award.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

If he stays at the plate, there is no award.

You mean he permitted the pitch to hit him (FED language)

[bob jenkins]

The fact that the batter is out of the box has nothing to do (on it's own) with deciding whether to award first or to keep the batter at the plate. Judge it like you would any other HBP -- did the batter move into the pitch? did he permit himself to be hit? Was the ball over the batter's box? etc.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The fact that the batter is out of the box has nothing to do (on it's own) with deciding whether to award first or to keep the batter at the plate. Judge it like you would any other HBP -- did the batter move into the pitch? did he permit himself to be hit? Was the ball over the batter's box? etc.

FWIW (and the reason I asked), in NCAA softball, a batter who is out in front of the box (e.g., a lefty slap hitter who runs up to slap at the pitch and has her foot outside the top of the batter's box) when hit by a pitch is not awarded first base. Nor is she awarded with a Ball on her count. It's simply ruled a No Pitch unless she offered at the ball.

I think this is the only rule set where this applies.