David Rackley

[tmagan]

On the appeal play in which he called Andres Torres out in the Mets @ Cardinals game today, he made two mistakes:
1) Torres touched the bag.
2) Rackley held his head over first base afterwards, basically implying to St. Louis that he missed the bag.

I think one instruction needs to be given to umpires here:
Runners are assumed to have touched the bag/plate unless it is extremely obvious that he didn't. After all, in all the major league games this year, how many runners miss the bag/plate, maybe five?

If this happened in a postseason game, as Al Michaels would say: 'There would be hell to pay.'

[rbmartin]

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | NYM@STL: Torres called out for missing bag in ninth - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tmagan

I think one instruction needs to be given to umpires here:
Runners are assumed to have touched the bag/plate unless it is extremely obvious that he didn't. After all, in all the major league games this year, how many runners miss the bag/plate, maybe five?

Runners miss bases all the time. They usually aren't appealed because the umpires are the only ones who see it.

If you think you can do a better job, start your own umpiring school. Your instruction is absolutely wrong.

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Runners miss bases all the time. They usually aren't appealed because the umpires are the only ones who see it.

If you think you can do a better job, start your own umpiring school. Your instruction is absolutely wrong.

Think of it this way, if it is a fly ball down the right field line, the first base umpire has to go to the outfield, and who is responsible for seeing if the batter touched first base? The home plate umpire. Using those sets of circumstances, do you think the home plate umpire is calling Torres out? Never in a million years.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by tmagan

Runners are assumed to have touched the bag/plate unless it is extremely obvious that he didn't.

"Extremely obvious" to whom. He was less than 10 feet away.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tmagan

Think of it this way, if it is a fly ball down the right field line, the first base umpire has to go to the outfield, and who is responsible for seeing if the batter touched first base? The home plate umpire. Using those sets of circumstances, do you think the home plate umpire is calling Torres out? Never in a million years.

You're not paying attention. I'm not talking about Torres, I'm talking about your ridiculous "instruction."

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tmagan

Think of it this way, if it is a fly ball down the right field line, the first base umpire has to go to the outfield, and who is responsible for seeing if the batter touched first base? The home plate umpire. Using those sets of circumstances, do you think the home plate umpire is calling Torres out? Never in a million years.

Trolling? Or legitimately stupid? Not a tough call at all... in fact it's easier than U1 making it, as PU can get a better angle on the side of the bag the runner's going to touch.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbyron

They usually aren't appealed because the umpires are the only ones who see it.

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Probably true in youth and even HS ball. Not at all true in MLB

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Probably true in youth and even HS ball. Not at all true in MLB

It is true that missed bases, even in MLB, go unappealed. It is very true in HS that missed bases go unnoticed, and even in some levels of college baseball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by zm1283

It is true that missed bases, even in MLB, go unappealed. It is very true in HS that missed bases go unnoticed, and even in some levels of college baseball.

zm said so on the internet ... and you can't put anything on the internet if it isn't true.

Sir, given that we have just about every camera angle covered on every single game every single day, don't you think that if someone missed a base we'd have it shown to us? I recall seeing exactly one highlight of this happening - several years ago. It just doesn't happen. At the speed these guys are going, most of them would wipe out if they tried to round a bag and missed the push off. Your assertion is absurd. If you have proof, please post it. Otherwise ... meh...

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

zm said so on the internet ... and you can't put anything on the internet if it isn't true.

Sir, given that we have just about every camera angle covered on every single game every single day, don't you think that if someone missed a base we'd have it shown to us? I recall seeing exactly one highlight of this happening - several years ago. It just doesn't happen. At the speed these guys are going, most of them would wipe out if they tried to round a bag and missed the push off. Your assertion is absurd. If you have proof, please post it. Otherwise ... meh...

So if a team has the bases loaded and a double is hit in the gap in right center, there is going to be a camera that watches every runner touch every base in every game? I don't buy it.

Speed they're going? Some of them don't run any faster than D1 players, and D1 players miss bases too.

Your assertion that MLB players don't miss bases and they go unappealed is absurd.

By the way, why don't the guys who get called out on appeal (Like the Mets guy here) "wipe out"?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by zm1283

So if a team has the bases loaded and a double is hit in the gap in right center, there is going to be a camera that watches every runner touch every base in every game? I don't buy it.

Speed they're going? Some of them don't run any faster than D1 players, and D1 players miss bases too.

Your assertion that MLB players don't miss bases and they go unappealed is absurd.

By the way, why don't the guys who get called out on appeal (Like the Mets guy here) "wipe out"?

I'm sorry, you are right. There's no way a camera would ever catch this, as they only use one or two per game. My bad.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by tmagan

2) Rackley held his head over first base afterwards, basically implying to St. Louis that he missed the bag.

I'm sorry, but I didn't see this. Rackley did look at the base as the runner reached it, as he is required to do. But when did he continue to hold it there?

The second camera angle in the video did show him looking down, but this was in slo-mo so it may appear to last a while when, in fact, it probably wasn't. You make it sound like he just stood there staring at the bag well after Torres passed it.

The fact that Torres didn't go bonkers at second base spoke volumes to me. If he did indeed feel that he touched the base, he would've likely charged after Rackley to state his case. He did, at the time, represent the game-tying run in the top of the ninth inning.

I also didn't see Tom Goodwin, the Mets first-base coach, going after Rackley either. And Terry Collins didn't seem too animated with his appeal. You gotta believe someone would've gotten tossed after that call if it was that bad.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I'm sorry, you are right. There's no way a camera would ever catch this, as they only use one or two per game. My bad.

That's weird, because I never said that a camera would never catch a runner missing a base. I said that even though there are multiple cameras at every game, there is the occasional missed base that doesn't get picked up on camera. Quit making things up.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by zm1283

That's weird, because I never said that a camera would never catch a runner missing a base. I said that even though there are multiple cameras at every game, there is the occasional missed base that doesn't get picked up on camera. Quit making things up.

I'm not - you're missing my point entirely.

My point is that IF this happens often, as you assert it does, then it would be caught on camera often - and we would see it shown on highlights often. You claim it happens all the time with no proof - if it does happen, there is proof out there - show us.