IIRC, a fruit is a ripened ovary.

Legitimately ripened?

You misunderstood what I wrote because I was incomplete.

There was a time that tomatoes were considered fruit, in line with apples, pears etc. One story has it that this was to escape import duties that were higher on vegetables.

So, the story goes, many people still get all caught up in tomatoes being fruit: E.g. Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

As a science teacher I find that to be annoying. Sure the tomato is the fruit of the plant. But so are squash, cucumbers, snap peas and green beans. We wouldn't even begin to call them "fruit" even though they are "fruits". "Fruit" and "vegetable" are dinner classifications, not science classifications.

That's just part of why his sentence "All vegetables, other than tomatoes, come from the leaf, stem, or root of the plant." doesn't work as an analogy.

Rita

Very good.

I think what everybody is trying to say is that there is a difference between a batter and batter-runner.

I've had detached equipment before on a pitch in the dirt with R1, R2 F2 scoops up the pitched ball with his mask (this was in a FED game before the HSM requirement for F2s)

Wanna read something crazy, look up the FED rule base award for detached equipment on a pitched ball. Could you imagine? :-)

I had one person tell me I was animal out there. True statement since I'm not a vegetable or mineral.

BTW~I used to work with a guy that would buy a sack of tomatoes at roadside fruit/vegetable (?) stands, and eat them like apples.

Let's get back on topic please.

What HSM requirement? :confused:

He's probably talking about the NOCSAE helmet requirement which these days translates into an HSM.

Have they updated the standard? All is meant recently was that the mask and helmet be designed to work together as a unit.

I don't think so, I just rarely see anything NOCSAE certified other than an HSM these days.

Actually, you really can't buy anything new nowadays but the HSM. I visited a few popular equipment websites (Eastbay, HomeRunMonkey, BaseballRampage, etc.) and I couldn't find any of the old helmet/mask combos for purchase.

I did find this one on an Amazon website:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...sL._AA300_.jpg

Yes, it's NOCSAE certified.

It appears to be Darth Vader certified. ;)

I guess, a person could use that...but I inferred as other have that the NOC standard is basically an HSM standard.

So, if instead of strike three, if the pitch were ball four, does the "batter" (now a runner) still get awarded any extra bases?