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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:29pm
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All of that said, I love the way amateur umpires take pleasure in berating a professional umpire. Maybe it's because DiMuro made it and you didn't? Or maybe you think that you can do better? Be careful how you answer that because when you look in the mirror, you see an AMATEUR staring back at you..... because that is what you are! Try and remember that!
Maybe there are some that feel that way, but not me. I personally think that MLB has the worst staff of all of pro sports working games. They do things that I often do not understand and wonder if because they can never seem to be fired, they just take the easy way to do things us amateurs would get killed for doing. Look at all the very bad misses they have had. They are often not judgment misses, but procedural or mechanical mistakes that you can go to the local association and learn not to do.

To be fair, not all of us wanted to be pro umpires either. When I had the chance I did not see the value in pursuing such a thing. I am happy for those guys getting there, but do not like what they do when they get there. Or do not like the many that have no fear of reprisal do when they are there.

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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:41pm
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Accountability has always been my issue with major league umpires. Even the ones who are consistently rated the worst never lose their jobs. When calls are blatantly blown like some we've seen this season, many of us would no longer be working high school or college ball, much less MLB games. That's why I consistently say that umpires need to go when they make obvious errors that we would not be able to get away with at the amateur level. There are many umpires out there who could do at least as well or better.
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:39pm
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Mike is a good umpire who made a bad call. He doesn't miss many calls, especially this magnitude. I've worked several games with him, as well as his brother Ray. His father Lou was a great MLB umpire until his untimely death. There are worse umpires in MLB than Mike DiMuro, and he certainly doesn't deserve what the OP is suggesting. Jealousy has reared its ugly head, I guess.
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:34pm
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Even worse if the OP is a Cleveland homer. No place in umpiring for homers.
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:18pm
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Mike is a good umpire who made a bad call. He doesn't miss many calls, especially this magnitude. I've worked several games with him, as well as his brother Ray. His father Lou was a great MLB umpire until his untimely death. There are worse umpires in MLB than Mike DiMuro, and he certainly doesn't deserve what the OP is suggesting. Jealousy has reared its ugly head, I guess.
Shame on the ML and Bud Selig, Such a great umpire as Mike DiMuro has since he bacame a regular in 2000 worked a total of 2 post season
series.

What do they have against him?
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:58pm
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Shame on the ML and Bud Selig, Such a great umpire as Mike DiMuro has since he bacame a regular in 2000 worked a total of 2 post season
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What do they have against him?
Maybe he needs to sleep with all the Selig family since he is a lecagy.......
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:26pm
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Mike is a good umpire who made a bad call. He doesn't miss many calls, especially this magnitude. I've worked several games with him, as well as his brother Ray. His father Lou was a great MLB umpire until his untimely death. There are worse umpires in MLB than Mike DiMuro, and he certainly doesn't deserve what the OP is suggesting. Jealousy has reared its ugly head, I guess.
I am sure he is a wonderful guy and once again my position is not about him or anyone. But there are guys that have to grade out worse and there seems to be no fear of losing their job. Honestly that is all I am saying and when all these calls or situations come up, I would think that if some guys knew they might not be back if they are rated at the bottom and replaced the bottom with guys that can work, then the overall quality would change. And one of the problems is there are too many sons of former guys working in the Majors as well. You are telling me there are not other guys good enough than a son of a former umpire?

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Old Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:31pm
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I am sure he is a wonderful guy and once again my position is not about him or anyone. But there are guys that have to grade out worse and there seems to be no fear of losing their job. Honestly that is all I am saying and when all these calls or situations come up, I would think that if some guys knew they might not be back if they are rated at the bottom and replaced the bottom with guys that can work, then the overall quality would change. And one of the problems is there are too many sons of former guys working in the Majors as well. You are telling me there are not other guys good enough than a son of a former umpire?

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Mike didn't make it because of who his father was. He busted his A$$ in the Minors all throughout the 90s.
I am not saying he did get their without work. And I am sure that his education and being around his father helped him in ways it would not help others. But when you are giving more than one jobs in multiple sports to guys that dad was a former professional official, that just wreaks of nepotism. And that is part of the problem, because it does not seem like the best are getting hired in many cases. Again, all I am wondering is why can the MLB have a better staff and why they cannot get rid of a guy or two. We all know guys that just do some goofy stuff and those guys never get fired. I know that this is in large part because of the union contract, but MLB should have some power to get better guys into place. It is embarrassing to have guys that are so big that could not get hired to work HS games and screw up, but they keep their jobs. A college guy does not make weight and they get rid of them without much fanfare.

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I am not saying he did get their without work. And I am sure that his education and being around his father helped him in ways it would not help others. But when you are giving more than one jobs in multiple sports to guys that dad was a former professional official, that just wreaks of nepotism. And that is part of the problem, because it does not seem like the best are getting hired in many cases. Again, all I am wondering is why can the MLB have a better staff and why they cannot get rid of a guy or two. We all know guys that just do some goofy stuff and those guys never get fired. I know that this is in large part because of the union contract, but MLB should have some power to get better guys into place. It is embarrassing to have guys that are so big that could not get hired to work HS games and screw up, but they keep their jobs. A college guy does not make weight and they get rid of them without much fanfare.

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His dad died long before he ever became an umpire. Nepotism had zero to do with it. He didn't get any breaks because of who his dad was, he earned his way due to merit. I was there.
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Old Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:25pm
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I am not saying he did get their without work. And I am sure that his education and being around his father helped him in ways it would not help others. But when you are giving more than one jobs in multiple sports to guys that dad was a former professional official, that just wreaks of nepotism. And that is part of the problem, because it does not seem like the best are getting hired in many cases. Again, all I am wondering is why can the MLB have a better staff and why they cannot get rid of a guy or two. We all know guys that just do some goofy stuff and those guys never get fired. I know that this is in large part because of the union contract, but MLB should have some power to get better guys into place. It is embarrassing to have guys that are so big that could not get hired to work HS games and screw up, but they keep their jobs. A college guy does not make weight and they get rid of them without much fanfare.

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Does it wreak of nepotism when the child of an athlete makes it to the pros or major Division 1? Griffey? Ripken? Jordan? Alomar?

I'm not saying you're wrong about ML umpires sticking around when they can't cut it, but claiming nepotism is at play doesn't seem accurate to me. It could simply be that the natural tendencies that made their fathers ML umpires were passed on to the children.
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Old Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:33am
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Mike didn't make it because of who his father was. He busted his A$$ in the Minors all throughout the 90s.
Ten years in the minors is a long time. I suppose the failed resignation fiasco didn't hurt his chances either.
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Old Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:31am
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Ten years in the minors is a long time.

No it's not. Guccione and Drake spent that long in AAA. Unless your name is Wendlestedt, ten years is not long at all.
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