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SAump Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:22am
Hope they feel better
 
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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 846399)
I'd hold off a long while. This is a sore subject right now.
After watching this MLB video,

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | KC@STL: Matheny tossed as umps overturn triple play - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

johnnyg08 Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 846399)
I'd hold off a long while. This is a sore subject right now.
A long while...unless I can get the same info through another party...I'm not doing it to disparage anybody, but these guys are solid umpires (I know two of the three) it just doesn't make any sense that something like this would happened in one of their games. No sense at all.

We'll see.

Steven Tyler Mon Jun 18, 2012 01:33am
I don't know why he thought he had to give the "no catch" signal. It was very obvious the ball was in the dirt. Overkill, IMO.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jun 18, 2012 02:22am
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 846483)
I don't know why he thought he had to give the "no catch" signal. It was very obvious the ball was in the dirt. Overkill, IMO.
I agree, and it might have helped lead to the confusion that ensued. I only use the "no catch" when it's a trapped ball and not obvious to everyone that the ball is down.

mbyron Mon Jun 18, 2012 05:54am
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 846484)
I agree, and it might have helped lead to the confusion that ensued. I only use the "no catch" when it's a trapped ball and not obvious to everyone that the ball is down.
Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 18, 2012 08:17am
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a tag. I see the catcher touch the batter with his bare hand, but it appears the ball is in the glove. Perhaps that is what was appealed.

Welpe Mon Jun 18, 2012 08:21am
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 846487)

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.
I agree.

This play is just...unfortunate.

mbyron Mon Jun 18, 2012 08:39am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 846491)
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a tag. I see the catcher touch the batter with his bare hand, but it appears the ball is in the glove. Perhaps that is what was appealed.
Mike, watch it full screen, HD if you can. He tagged him with the ball.

LMan Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 846487)
Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.
Exactly. This was supposed to be the big 'takeaway' from La Affaire Eddings.

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 18, 2012 01:12pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 846496)
Mike, watch it full screen, HD if you can. He tagged him with the ball.
OK, will do when I get home to a better resolution monitor. Can't see the ball on that video here at work.

RPatrino Mon Jun 18, 2012 03:15pm
Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?

mbyron Mon Jun 18, 2012 03:24pm
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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 846550)
Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?
It is possible, but not permissible.

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 18, 2012 03:34pm
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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 846550)
Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?
To borrow a phrase from Mr. Hochuli...

"By Rule..." No, this is not appealable.

RPatrino Mon Jun 18, 2012 04:49pm
This situation happened to me during a game, while working solo, and the batter failed to check his swing and I was asked to get help from my 'partner'. I, completely in jest, pointed toward first and asked (to no one in particular), "Did he NOT go?"...

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jun 18, 2012 06:56pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 846487)
Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.
Why was the batter taking his eyes away from the ball? He missed the pitch, so why wasn't he tracking the pitch to the mitt/ground? Whenever I would strike out swinging, I checked to see if the catcher hung on to the ball.


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