To Be Mad Or Not To Be Mad?

[MD Longhorn]

Sigh...

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

What are everyone's thoughts?

... just don't give me any thoughts that I could have done anything better...

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Entertaining?

• Coaches and players complaining about every call?
• AC throwing his hat to the ground while he is arguing with you?

This is not entertainment, this is poor game control.

1. Players and coaches do not argue calls. Dugouts don't erupt over a call. Manager gets to dispute the call (respectfully), AC's don't say a word about calls, players get no leash at all.
2. AC's don't argue calls so they don't get to throw their hats in an argument. AC's are supposed to tell players to run, stop, turn left or right, come back, go, etc. They do not argue or dispute calls nor do they approach you to get another opinion.

The problem here is you and your partner. By not getting control of the game early, you allowed all of this to go on. There are no warnings for crap like this, there is only ejection. Grow a pair and get jerks like this off the field. You'll be a better umpire for it in the long run.

As far as your useless UIC, he should be strung up by his ball sack for not standing behind you. Believe me, that would be the last time he did that to me!

Ditto.

The more tank talks his way out of inaction, the worse it looks. tank, you asked what everyone thought of the situation and they told you.

What age group was this?

[tankmjg24]

There is no trying to talk my way out of any situation. From a few of the posts it seems as if some might have thought the coaches continually came out of the dugout and argued face to face with us. The thought of ejection crossed my mind on Friday yet I felt as if a warning was more warranted before ejecting and it worked for that day. Sunday the coach crossed the line and he was ejected for his actions. The initial question I was posing was how to handle the situation with the UIC. The information on the coaches was to try and paint the whole picture. The age group was 12U.

On a side note, I have done all levels of amateur baseball and it seems as if youth ball has the most trouble. Coaches seem to not know the rule book and think that they are always right and can say whatever they wish to without repercussion and then when something is said to them they look at you dumbfounded.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

There is no trying to talk my way out of any situation. From a few of the posts it seems as if some might have thought the coaches continually came out of the dugout and argued face to face with us. The thought of ejection crossed my mind on Friday yet I felt as if a warning was more warranted before ejecting and it worked for that day. Sunday the coach crossed the line and he was ejected for his actions. The initial question I was posing was how to handle the situation with the UIC. The information on the coaches was to try and paint the whole picture. The age group was 12U.

On a side note, I have done all levels of amateur baseball and it seems as if youth ball has the most trouble. Coaches seem to not know the rule book and think that they are always right and can say whatever they wish to without repercussion and then when something is said to them they look at you dumbfounded.

You did not mention in the OP that the assistant coach was mouthy, complaining, and threw his hat in the dugout. You said he threw his hat on the "ground," which I think led us to believe he was on the field performing these antics. I really don't care much about what he throws in his dugout, as long as it doesn't come out on the field.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You did not mention in the OP that the assistant coach was mouthy, complaining, and threw his hat in the dugout. You said he threw his hat on the "ground," which I think led us to believe he was on the field performing these antics. I really don't care much about what he throws in his dugout, as long as it doesn't come out on the field.

I agree here because I would never have any idea if a coach threw his hat in the dugout-nor would I care if he did it.

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I agree here because I would never have any idea if a coach threw his hat in the dugout-nor would I care if he did it.

That's what I said - for which mbcrowder called me idiotic. Sounds like my take on the situation was correct after all.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

That's what I said - for which mbcrowder called me idiotic. Sounds like my take on the situation was correct after all.

No, your take contained a great deal of supposition and misrepresentation, which is the reason Mike said what he did. You totally put words in my keyboard by misstating what I said. If you got any of it right, it was totally by accident.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

That's what I said - for which mbcrowder called me idiotic. Sounds like my take on the situation was correct after all.

Only by luck, so don't get too cocky. Otherwise SDS (and others) are spot-on here. Where the AC threw his hat makes a big difference in this situation, and we didn't know that up front.

Always entertaining when the story changes post by post.... wonder what the next version will be?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

That's what I said - for which mbcrowder called me idiotic. Sounds like my take on the situation was correct after all.

First off ... that's not what you said. What you said was,

Perfect example of a combination of rabbit ears and the "my dick is bigger than your dick" school of umpiring.

Don't go "getting an angle" so you can pick up on comments from the mouthy coaches - you're looking for trouble. If the coach comes to you and starts the conversation with "You...", or something simiilar, sure, dump him. Otherwise, unless it's loud enough to be showing you up, laugh and walk away. Pissing and moaning in the dugout is part of the game. Coaches like this will generally end up ejecting themselves. No need to go looking for trouble. And "relishing" the opportunity to get back at a coach means that you are no long an unbiased and neutral arbiter - you now have an agenda and are looking for an excuse to eject. I wouldn't want you umpiring my game either.

I did not say that YOU were idiotic. I said that what you said was idiotic. And it was. You said nothing about the hat. What you did say is still idiotic. Your "relishing" comment being the cherry on top, as the person you were talking to said nothing about getting back at a coach, having an agenda, or looking to eject.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

On a side note, I have done all levels of amateur baseball and it seems as if youth ball has the most trouble. Coaches seem to not know the rule book and think that they are always right and can say whatever they wish to without repercussion and then when something is said to them they look at you dumbfounded.

No sh!t, Sherlock.

That's why it's incumbent on umpires to train these neophyte coaches (and players) in the ways of the baseball world.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

There is no trying to talk my way out of any situation. From a few of the posts it seems as if some might have thought the coaches continually came out of the dugout and argued face to face with us. The thought of ejection crossed my mind on Friday yet I felt as if a warning was more warranted before ejecting and it worked for that day. Sunday the coach crossed the line and he was ejected for his actions. The initial question I was posing was how to handle the situation with the UIC. The information on the coaches was to try and paint the whole picture. The age group was 12U.

On a side note, I have done all levels of amateur baseball and it seems as if youth ball has the most trouble. Coaches seem to not know the rule book and think that they are always right and can say whatever they wish to without repercussion and then when something is said to them they look at you dumbfounded.

You two should have "burned" the dugouts on Friday and then ejected immediately on the next offense. 12U coaches need to learn their place because they are supposed to be examples to the "kiddies".

As far as your UIC, it already told you that he wouldn't do this to me more than once!