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MikeStrybel Wed Oct 12, 2011 03:12pm
As most here know, I crossed over to the dark side a few years ago and coach my son's ball team in addition to umpiring a crazy Spring schedule. I never liked it when a coach would say, "I need that strike too." when I called it on one of his batters. I swore I would never do it. I then did just that. It is pretty hard not to see a different strike zone when you are in a coach's box. I;m sure I'll do it again too. (sigh)

I don't believe I have ever asked a catcher what he thought of my calls when he was batting. I may have asked him what was up after one of his teammates was rung up and the bench was louder than normal. Usually, catchers at my level are smarter than I would have been at their age. Most know that it's best to keep me happy. I try to do the same with them.

Raymond Wed Oct 12, 2011 03:38pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 792866)
The part where he jumped on the catcher for answering a stupid question.
Assuming the F2 is telling the truth. ;) Based on my experiences with teenagers including my son, I thinks not.

Steven Tyler Wed Oct 12, 2011 06:31pm
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Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 793047)
Consider this scenario:

"I can't believe you rung me up on that, blue."

"Well, where do you think the pitch was?"

"Way inside."

"Don't argue my strikezone, son."

More believable to me..............

Tim.
From A League of Their Own.

"That pitch might been a ball yesterday. It might be a ball tomorrow. But, today it's a strike."

zm1283 Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:18pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 793047)
Consider this scenario:

"I can't believe you rung me up on that, blue."

"Well, where do you think the pitch was?"

"Way inside."

"Don't argue my strikezone, son."

More believable to me..............

Tim.
Instead of asking that, I would reply with "I can believe it, because I had it as a strike".

zm1283 Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:20pm
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Originally Posted by blueump (Post 793008)
IF the home plate umpire actually asked the question in the first place. More than likely since the catcher had approached the subject in the dugout before taking his place defensively, he probably was the one to bring up the subject behind the dish as well. I very highly doubt the umpire asked the guy that just struck out looking where he thought the pitch was.

Then of course the umpire is going to tell the kid to stop arguing balls and strikes. Especially with the attitude the catcher apparently has ("see if our pitcher gets the same calls"). He's lucky he didn't get ejected right there!
You don't know all umpires then. There are untrained, unprofessional umpires all over the place, and I would not be surprised if this happened.

JRutledge Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 793206)
You don't know all umpires then. There are untrained, unprofessional umpires all over the place, and I would not be surprised if this happened.
And I know a lot of players and coaches and they will twist any innocent comment or conversation into something it never was intended to be. I just would not be surprised if this was not as simple as it was made out to be from the beginning of this thread.

Peace

biggravy Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 793206)
You don't know all umpires then. There are untrained, unprofessional umpires all over the place, and I would not be surprised if this happened.
Yep. I can think of several guys around here who would say something like that.

I don't do it all the time, but if I ring up a good catcher on a close one, when he comes out I may ask him where he thought it was or just flat out ask him if I missed it. I'm talking about your solid F2 that knows the zone well. I've probably been BS'ing w/ him anyway and I want to keep the mood light, prevent problems. Game management, imo.

JJ Fri Oct 14, 2011 01:49pm
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Originally Posted by harmbu (Post 792820)
Last night my catcher got called out on strikes to end an inning. Since he knows the strikezone so well, I asked him if he thought the pitch was inside. He said, "I thought it was, but I will just try to see if our pitcher can get that call too." During the next half inning, I noticed him having a discussion with PU. After the inning ended, I asked what was being said. He told me that PU had asked him where he thought the pitch was. When he told him he felt like it was inside, PU started to argue with him and told him not to question his judgement. I told him if he is ever asked that again to simply say, "It was a good pitch." I did not bring up the subject with PU at any time during the game, but I feel that if he does not want an honest answer from a player, he should not ask a question.

Any thoughts?
"Since he knows the strike zone so well..."
Please. He's either a catcher or an umpire, and usually someone who purports to be both isn't very good at either.

JJ

DG Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:54pm
A GOOD catcher knows a strike when he catches it, and doesn't say anything when he does not get the call for his pitcher, or when marginal pitch is called against him, and he swings at marginal pitches with 2 strikes.

gpdeppert Tue Oct 25, 2011 07:52pm
I never intiate that type of conversation. If I feel I missed one bad, I may give them a look maybe an eye roll, and the good ones will know. And a very good one will say nothing. When a coach questions his catcher a great F2 will concur with my call. maybe they have a conversation back in the dugout, but not in the open.

I have had catchers come back out and make a polite comment about a pitch I may have rung them up on. I simply reply "If you were back here you would have wanted that pitch as a strike yourself."

Usually they nod and we move on.


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