FED Test...Whew!

[Tim C]

"1st time I took the test it took me at least 8 hours. Now I can get it done in about 2."

You're pulling our leg, right?

An expereinced umpire should take no more than 15 mins to do Test II in the closed book method.

2 hours, Ouch . . . maybe you should work on your timing.

Tee

[greymule]

"5 sport ref" took the one with the essay questions.

[MAC]

Tee , I would love to see part II we take part 1 up here in ct. I've asked about part part II , but the look's you get are strange to say the least, They use to give out an answer sheet with the test year's ago for the old time umpire's to be sure they passed the exam, a little piece of soiled underwear for sure, I don't want to say to much as other member's troll the board's lol

mac

[Tim C]

Took Federation Test 2 last night.

22 mins -- score of 96.

It took at least 10 mins to argue the answer of the "now famous" #32.

Some of the tougher questions:

It is a strike when:

"A batter swings and misses."

"A ball bounces through the strike zone."

WOW! FED rules are really tough,

Lah Me!

(The Original & Ever Slimming),

Tee

[GarthB]

Tee:

You just have to assume a stricter sense of logic when dealing with #32. Steps back does not equal steps off or steps off the back or anything you would assume it does.

Unlike Rita, this certifed teacher finds that T/F test CAN be useful when well written and utlized in specific areas. I remember that in Logic 225 T/F tests were the ultimate measuring devices.

[Rich]

I scored the same 96 in about the same amount of time, Tee.

If I need a 70 to pass one of these tests, I don't waste any time. A 70 is as good as 100 in my book.

I took the softball test this year. I may even work softball. But, knowing as little as I do, I still scored an 82. Another non-softball guy scored an 85.

Common sense should get you a 70.

Rich

[NJumpire9]

ESL UMP

New Jersey chapters give their own test as refreshers. Only the cadets take the Fed test for certification. It's offered just once a year , (last Saturday in April).
In regard to ESL UMP, a chapter is allowed to give a test orally to the learning disabled. If understanding the language is a problem, check with your State Association for provisions for test taking under those circumstances.

In NJ, passing grade is an 85. Having been being in education for 31 years, I'll agree that part of the secret to success in this test is understanding the semantics of the English language.

[Edited by NJumpire9 on Mar 5th, 2003 at 07:44 AM]

[Tim C]

For the first time in Oregon history the OSAA (head of FED) requires an official to score 90 in any sport to qualify for state playoffs.

I am not eligible anyway since I did not work last year.

Lah Me!

Tee

[Rita C]

Originally posted by GarthB

Unlike Rita, this certifed teacher finds that T/F test CAN be useful when well written and utlized in specific areas. I remember that in Logic 225 T/F tests were the ultimate measuring devices.

Read my post again, Garth. A T/F test can be useful but only tests knowledge, not analysis. It is a very difficult type of test for some people.

We aren't saying the same thing.

Rita

[GarthB]

Rita:

In logic class, a true/false test does test analytical skills:

Tor F

If ^ = ! and ! = ** and ^># but < !! and !! = $ and $>@ then @ > ^

[greymule]

In logic, symbols have clear, agreed-upon meanings, and the student starts from a platform of uniformly defined terms: equals, greater than, less than, not equal to, some, all, if, only if, and so on. Every statement can be proved to be either true or false. All the analysis goes into determining truth value, so tests in logic pretty much have to be true/false in one form or another.

One problem with true/false tests in sociology, history, psychology, baseball, and so on, is that ambiguity (which is not found in logic, as least as far as I remember) involving a single word can affect the perceived truth or falseness of the entire statement. Look at the problem we had with "first base after an award" versus "next base after an award." T/F tests can sometimes be useful, but they have to be constructed very intelligently.

I'm reminded of a quasi T/F questionnaire my Congressman sent me not long ago. He listed a bunch of statements, and I was supposed to check either the "agree" or the "disagree" box next to it. I think there was also a "no opinion/not sure" box, too. One of the statements was "I would like to see the U.S. resume trade with Cuba." Anyone can see where my Congressman was coming from, but to me the answer to that question requires an explanation and not a true/false answer. Other statements were similar: "The government should do more to help the public schools," "reasonable firearms laws would help keep guns out of the hands of schoolchildren," "the rich should pay their fair share of taxes." To answer these questions, you have to do something familiar to most people who take a lot of tests: try to read the mind of the questioner and answer accordingly.

PS. I did not check any boxes but instead wrote out answers. I was amazed when I received a response indicating that somebody had actually read what I wrote!

[GarthB]

greymule:

Absolutely. True/False tests are very weak devices to measure skill and even overall knowledge in many areas. My point was only to indicate that they can measure both and even analytical skill in some areas and shouldn't be painted with a broad brush.

My study emphasis and graduate paper while I was in the "Ed Block" (the fifth year certification program in California) were both on pre- and post assessment. (testing) While I do not profess to be an expert, I have spend a lot time on evidence and the thought of others as well as my own on the subject.

That interest was, in part, what lead me to become the head of the evaluation committee for two associations.

[Buckeye12]

Due to the previous discussion, I'm just curious what question #32 is on the FED test.