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Well, commenting on this surely won't hurt my chances of becoming a Major League Umpire. First, he deserves to be punished for making his own travel arrangements when specifically told not to. Then, he should be further punished for using an ethnic slur and a gender slur toward
a person in umpiring administration (or anybody). At the very least, he was not too smart to be recorded. IMO
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Fri Jan 31, 2003, 01:46pm
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Speaking as a Jew b@#*&%d, I consider Froemming to be a fat anti-semite. But alas, anti-semitism doesn't fatally discredit the peace movement, the academic establishment, Jesse Jackson, Hillary Clinton, Al Sharpton, or the looney left. So it won't likely hurt Froemming.
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Bruce should feel lucky he only got a 10 day slap on the wrist. Any other job he would have been canned.
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Fri Jan 31, 2003, 05:57pm
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Interesting comment, insatty. My own feeling, albeit from the perspective of a Gentile, is that anti-Semitism is generally quite frowned upon in the U.S.—unless it comes from the Loony Left. (Europe is another story, as I'm sure you know.)
Since Bruce Froemming is not one of the Loony Left (just lower-case loony), his remark may well end his umpiring career. His one chance lies in hurriedly joining some Lefty group and claiming that what he said stemmed from being distraught over the plight of the Palestinians. I suspect he'd soon find himself in the loving arms of the Left and then comfortably ensconced in a first-class seat (can't imagine him in coach) to Japan. He could then hit the Ivy League lecture circuit.
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Sat Feb 01, 2003, 01:19am
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Al Campanis was forced out of baseball for a relatively innocuous remark about blacks, but Froemming gets a slap on the wrist for an ant-Semitic and anti-women remark. Amazing.
"Since Bruce Froemming is not one of the Loony Left". No, he's one of the Loony Right. Hitlerism is alive and sick in the USA. Bob
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I do not agree that calling a woman a "b itch" is necessarily anti-woman. Plenty of women (even aggressive feminists) call other women b itches. I don't know any Jews who call other Jews "kikes," though.
As for Al Campanis, his remarks were grossly misconstrued, but he should have known that whenever the question involves race, one must respond with canned, politically correct platitudes. The only reason a reporter ever asks anyone about racial matters is to evoke a controversial response. Campanis, who was instrumental in getting Jackie Robinson into MLB, fell into the trap. The Left likes to place Hitler, an anti-Communist authoritarian, on the Right, and that's what's taught in our schools. But as many historians have pointed out, Adolf Hitler was a man of the Left through and through, even though he battled other Leftists. (There is certainly anti-Semitism on the Right, though.)
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Sat Feb 01, 2003, 01:07pm
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Well,
Since David Eckstein IS NOT JEWISH I imagine he would not be involved in Bruce's personal agenda of being a stupid oaf.
David Eckstein was named to the NCAA All-Jewish baseball team. He called them to point out the assumption that since his name sounded Jewish that he WAS Jewish. He is not. When the World Series ended David received several offers from local LA groups to speak at all types of Jewish galas. When he informed them he was not Jewish the offers were rescinded. He is a regular caller on the "Dan Patrick Show" on ESPN radio and has discussed the issue several times. Tee [Edited by Tim C on Feb 1st, 2003 at 03:19 PM]
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Correct again Greymule. Hitler's "NAZI" party name was the initials of National Socialists. Nazi ideology made the individual subservient to the state--hardly right-wing politics. But it is easy for uneducated journalists to refer to conservatives as nazis because they believe in a strong military. Properly conceived, however, the "far-right" extreme would be anarchy, since the more conservative one is, the less one wants government interference with the individual.
Tee: Thank you for the clarification. Eckstein even looks jewish. It's not that we jews need role models, it's just that I cannot think of a jewish player on a world-series winner since Koufax. Maybe some of the walking baseball encyclopedias out there can name some.
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Sun Feb 02, 2003, 12:40pm
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Keep in mind also that Joseph Stalin, the hero of so many left-wingers, persecuted Jews mercilessly and cheered the murder of the millions. (Cheered privately, of course—publicly, he was shocked . . . shocked! to learn what had happened). Had Hitler not wrought his own Holocaust, Stalin was ready and waiting with his own.
On the subject of Jews in baseball, anyone who has not seen the recent film on Hank Greenberg should do so. Most video places have it. Strange, Greenberg's son is a friend of mine, and Stalin's daughter used to live not far from me. Stalin had her husband shot. Can an apostate be on the NCAA All-Jewish team?
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Sun Feb 02, 2003, 05:46pm
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Mon Feb 03, 2003, 02:41am
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"But I can't think of any word for a man that carries the vehemence that that word carries toward a woman."
I can. "Fag." While many think of it as used jokingly among compadres, it is most often used to hurt, to slander, to curse, to demean, to accuse, to anger, to insult and to question.
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Mon Feb 03, 2003, 10:55am
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"But I can't think of any word for a man that carries the vehemence that that word carries toward a woman."
How about "SOB"?
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