FED Ejection. Proper or not?

[UmpJM]

So, I went to watch my nephew's Regional playoff game this afternoon.

The 2nd batter of the game was ejected for wearing jewelry. (One of the "livestrong" type rubber bracelets.)

I am reliably informed that the PU had mentioned the FED prohibition on wearing jewelry during the plate conference, and considered it his "warning".

Was the ejection in accordance with FED rules or not? What say you?

Thanks.

JM

[RadioBlue]

The pre-game conference cannot be a place where official team warnings are given. A team warning is given upon discovery of a violation. The next violator is not ejected, but rather restricted to the bench. (i.e.: if a state association has a suspension policy for ejections, bench restrictions do not count.)

Wrong call.

[spiritump]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

So, I went to watch my nephew's Regional playoff game this afternoon.

The 2nd batter of the game was ejected for wearing jewelry. (One of the "livestrong" type rubber bracelets.)

I am reliably informed that the PU had mentioned the FED prohibition on wearing jewelry during the plate conference, and considered it his "warning".

Was the ejection in accordance with FED rules or not? What say you?

Thanks.

JM

sounds like a smitty to me

[briancurtin]

I don't work HS so I don't know the particular rule, but an umpire getting regional playoff assignments should know better than to EJ the second batter of the game for a LiveStrong bracelet in a playoff game.

Tell the kid his shoe is untied, then have him take it off.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

I don't work HS so I don't know the particular rule, but an umpire getting regional playoff assignments should know better than to EJ the second batter of the game for a LiveStrong bracelet in a playoff game.

Tell the kid his shoe is untied, then have him take it off.

No, that's not the right way to do it. Give a team warning at that point and have the kid remove it. Don't just ignore the rule because the game is "important." Because it's important, the kid should know better. And when he removes it and you issue the warning, everyone else will see that and make sure you won't have to deal with it again.

I'd love to see the guy's plate meeting. Probably takes 10 minutes.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

The pre-game conference cannot be a place where official team warnings are given. A team warning is given upon discovery of a violation. The next violator is not ejected, but rather restricted to the bench. (i.e.: if a state association has a suspension policy for ejections, bench restrictions do not count.)

Wrong call.

Agreed that the conference does not substitute for the warning, but 3-3-1c says "shall be ejected."

[MikeStrybel]

In the current Case Book, there are several examples of warnings being issued pre-game. On page 29, 3-3-1g cites just such an application.

Warnings can be issued before the game and infractions involving said cautionary can involve an ejection as a result.

For example, while checking helmets and bats, the umpire sees numerous players wearing prohibited items. At the time, he states that the rules prohibit them from being worn and encourages their removal. That suffices as a warning and following infractions can be dealt with whenever they occur.

Players and coaches involved in Regional playoffs should know the rules too.

[UmpJM]

Mike,

While 3.3.1G does involve a pre-game warning, it also involves a pre-game infraction.

I can't find any rule or case play that suggests a warning is proper before an infraction occurs.

And certainly none that suggests a warning during the plate conference is proper.

JM

[Tim C]

Under NFHS Rules a "player" can only be restricted for one reason and THIS AIN'T IT!

T

[umpjim]

I believe I've received an email memo from TASO in Texas that a warning at the plate meeting does not suffice.

[David B]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

So, I went to watch my nephew's Regional playoff game this afternoon.

The 2nd batter of the game was ejected for wearing jewelry. (One of the "livestrong" type rubber bracelets.)

I am reliably informed that the PU had mentioned the FED prohibition on wearing jewelry during the plate conference, and considered it his "warning".

Was the ejection in accordance with FED rules or not? What say you?

Thanks.

JM

Wow, ...

Sadly we had the same exact thing happen in state regional several years ago and we just about did not make it out of town.

F3 hits HR in his at bat and as he's coming home, PU sees jewelry and ejects him. Said same thing about warning in pre-game. This was in first inning.

Three man crew and both of us tried to get PU to change his mind, but this guy was an old smitty "know it all" and he would NOT change his mind.

The home team lost that game, in extra innings and F3 was their best player, it was not a good situation for an umpire to be in.

I went to our state officials post game and they agreed it was wrong, and sent a memo to all officials.

For years after, everytime I went to that school fans would bring up that play again.

I made it a point to never calle a game again with that official, and our governing body never let him call a HS playoff game again. He quit officiating a couple of years later, thankfully I should say.

Thanks
David

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by umpjim

I believe I've received an email memo from TASO in Texas that a warning at the plate meeting does not suffice.

TASO did send out that memo. During the game if a player is wearing jewelry, have the player remove the jewelry and give a warning. Next player found wearing jewelry IS ejected.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

TASO did send out that memo. During the game if a player is wearing jewelry, have the player remove the jewelry and give a warning. Next player found wearing jewelry IS ejected.

Splitting hairs but a TASO test question had no ejection for a player on the bench wearing jewelry. The player has to be "in the game". Of course you still remove the jewelry.

[ozzy6900]

Ya simply go over to the head coach and say, "you gonna take care of this or do you want me to?" All the jewlrey will come off and everyone gets to play ball. Yeah it's not the way the book says to do it but sometimes, you just have to umpire.

[DG]

3.3.1d says shall not wear jewelry, PENALTY that follows says team warning and eject next player. No team warnings at plate meeting.

Read 3.3.1a and tell me you issue team warning every time this happens.