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Dave Reed Tue May 31, 2011 11:11am
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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 762065)
One of the most famous collisions in baseball involved Pete Rose bowling over Ray Fosse in an All Star game. Ray Fosse separated his shoulder in a fairly meaningless contest. He was never the same after that injury. He is on record as saying that collisions at the plate are and should remain part of baseball. His position has not changed and he was sought out after Posey went down. He maintains that changing the game is wrong.
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Anyone hear Posey's comments about the incident? An ESPN interview has him stating that he doesn't want the rule changed and how collisions are part of professional baseball.
Do you have a recent link for either one of those assertions? I think you have mischaracterized the position of both Fosse and Posey.

MrUmpire Tue May 31, 2011 01:10pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 762348)
1. It's not up to Posey.
2. He would like like a big baby if he were to come out now and push for a rule change. No way he does that.
3. I anticipate the owners will push for it harder than the players.
4. One incident won't be a catalyst.
5. It'll probably have to happen to a more high profile player before a rule change is made.

Posey is quoted in the Bay Area media as asserting that he purposely left a lane open for Cousins and Cousins went out of his way to take him out. There is no quote from Posey justifying the hit or approving of this particular collision that I can find.

MrUmpire Tue May 31, 2011 01:11pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Reed (Post 762368)
Do you have a recent link for either one of those assertions? I think you have mischaracterized the position of both Fosse and Posey.
Is someone trying to compare the hit Fosse took while blocking the plate with the hit Posey took while NOT blocking the plate?

Try this one: (Which opens with: "Ray Fosse watched the crushing blow to Giants star Buster Posey and wondered why after all these years there are still few rules to protect catchers at the plate.")


[url=http://www.dailydemocrat.com/ci_18161068?source=most_viewed]Posey's injury stirs debate about home plate collisions - Daily Democrat Online[/url

yawetag Tue May 31, 2011 05:51pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 762348)
It'll probably have to happen to a more high profile player before a rule change is made.
More high-profile:
1. NL Rookie of the Year
2. 5th overall pick (and highest-picked catcher)
3. (At the time) highest draft-signing bonus

I'd say for a kid in his 2nd year of MLB, he's pretty high-profile. Not to mention he was one of the young stars of the game.

What more profile do you need?

Adam Tue May 31, 2011 06:44pm
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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 762465)
I'd say for a kid in his 2nd year of MLB, he's pretty high-profile. Not to mention he was one of the young stars of the game.

What more profile do you need?
Honestly? If I had to guess, I'd say a veteran who doesn't play on the west coast. Being in the WS helped, but not as much as playing in SF hurts.

yawetag Wed Jun 01, 2011 01:09pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 762483)
Honestly? If I had to guess, I'd say a veteran who doesn't play on the west coast. Being in the WS helped, but not as much as playing in SF hurts.
You missed every other point I made. No, he's not Pujols, but he's a rising star with a big contract. I think his profile is good enough to make the argument begin to roll.

Adam Wed Jun 01, 2011 01:13pm
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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 762684)
You missed every other point I made. No, he's not Pujols, but he's a rising star with a big contract. I think his profile is good enough to make the argument begin to roll.
No, I didn't miss your points. I simply answered your question.

I didn't say he wasn't high profile, just that it would probably take a higher profile injury. I could be wrong, though.

JRutledge Wed Jun 01, 2011 01:30pm
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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 762465)
More high-profile:
1. NL Rookie of the Year
2. 5th overall pick (and highest-picked catcher)
3. (At the time) highest draft-signing bonus

I'd say for a kid in his 2nd year of MLB, he's pretty high-profile. Not to mention he was one of the young stars of the game.

What more profile do you need?
And all that is great but he is not a household name like A-Rod or Jeter. This is baseball; there are not many players that everyone knows who they are. So if something happen to the two players I mentioned I would not be surprised that more attention would be mentioned about a rules change. With all that being said, they are not going to change rules in this matter. MLB is likes to act like tradition makes them special.

Peace


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