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RogersUmp Sat May 07, 2011 12:05am

Wakefield, Hernandez, Francona and West
 
What did Angel Hernandez call the balk for on Wakefield friday night? It looked to me like he may have stepped toward home on his attempted fake to third.

rbmartin Sat May 07, 2011 07:00am

Francona ejected arguing balk call on Wake | redsox.com: News

Here's the video.
Not sure about the call.
I don't like Francona's behavior nor do I Like Joe West's behavior.

jkumpire Sat May 07, 2011 07:05am

Always wise to post video so people can see the play:
 
<a herf="http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14540715&topic_id=11493214" target="_blank">Balk</a>

jkumpire Sat May 07, 2011 07:15am

Play
 
"http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14540715&topic_id=11493214"

Sorr5y, can't make into a link for some reason

Rich Sat May 07, 2011 07:35am

My first reaction was that he stepped to the plate instead of third.

David B Sat May 07, 2011 09:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 756732)
My first reaction was that he stepped to the plate instead of third.

I can see why he called the balk, but that's very marginal. LHP get away with a lot lot more than that, and I like what Francona said, he's been doing that same move for years and its never been called.

Joe West is probably going to get in trouble for his part, you can't put your hands on the manager and get away with it.

Thanks
David

johnnyg08 Sat May 07, 2011 10:36am

You can't charge through a person either. West doesn't have to stand there and let him run through him either. Sorry, If somebody tries to run through me, I'm going to defend myself. Ridiculous to say that West should've kept his hands off of him.

biggravy Sat May 07, 2011 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B (Post 756751)
I can see why he called the balk, but that's very marginal. LHP get away with a lot lot more than that, and I like what Francona said, he's been doing that same move for years and its never been called.

Joe West is probably going to get in trouble for his part, you can't put your hands on the manager and get away with it.

Thanks
David

No way. Francona was clearly the aggressor here. He was raging like a lunatic and Cowboy Joe put his hands on him long enough to just keep him from charging right through him. GMAFB.

MrUmpire Sat May 07, 2011 12:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 756728)
Francona ejected arguing balk call on Wake | redsox.com: News

Here's the video.
Not sure about the call.
I don't like Francona's behavior nor do I Like Joe West's behavior.

Joe was doing his job. He rodeo-clowned Farcona away from Angel and Francona tried to bull his way through. At the end Francona threw his gum at Angel. Real classy guy.

dash_riprock Sat May 07, 2011 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B (Post 756751)
I like what Francona said, he's been doing that same move for years and its never been called.

I don't believe that. If he had been doing that move for years, it would have been balked for years. He stepped toward the plate. Balk.

MrUmpire Sat May 07, 2011 03:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 756792)
I don't believe that. If he had been doing that move for years, it would have been balked for years. He stepped toward the plate. Balk.

It's just coach speak. Bill Walkenbach said that to me in his first year at Cornell after a balk on a pitcher he had only seen in practice.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Sat May 07, 2011 07:34pm

And speaking of ejections, the Biggest Idiot in All of MLB, aka Milton Bradley got ejected AGAIN last night for arguing what was a pretty good pitch on the low outside corner of the plate. His manger had to come out and physically restrain him from attacking the HP ump, a AAA fill in named Muchlinski.

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | CWS@SEA: Bradley is ejected arguing a strike - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Includes the usual stupid "You can't the give the pitcher both sides of the plate" remarks from the mouths in the booth.....

Why do teams keep getting Bradley??

DG Sat May 07, 2011 09:18pm

I don't see a balk. Nobody steps toward third to deliver to the plate, this is classic 3rd to 1st move, that I once thought fooled no one at ML level. Joe West, at 3b did not call it.

briancurtin Sun May 08, 2011 10:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 756867)
I don't see a balk. Nobody steps toward third to deliver to the plate, this is classic 3rd to 1st move, that I once thought fooled no one at ML level. Joe West, at 3b did not call it.

I'm not seeing it either. I think it's pretty clear where he's stepping.

jicecone Sun May 08, 2011 10:55am

So what else is new, shades of the old "I have to figure out someway to insert myself into this game Hernandez" arise again. He gained direction towards third and at no time did it ever look like he was going to deliver the ball to HP. Look at Hernandez he doesn't make the call right away, he hesistates and sees how far the runner is caught off the bag, then probably thinks that couldn't happen unless the pitcher did something illegal.

Yes it was borderline where he stepped but it was totally obvious what Wakefield was doing. Of course, Wakefields fat arse prevents him from keeping his legs together anyway. which worked against him here.


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