A LLWS Observation

[Mrumpiresir]

[QUOTE=KJUmp;690178]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

Fact is,
I haven't seen you post one quantifiable fact, just opinion.

those umpires did not perform well and as a result we will all have to live it down.
Live what down? With whom? Who cares? You think in the next game you work a coach is having LLWS flashbacks as he watches you work the game?

There is no way you can defend their performance.
Go back and read my posts. I haven't said anything about their performance on the field...positive or negative. What I have said is to show them some respect and to stop slamming them.

So, all the criticism is due to the lack of basic umpiring abilities exhibited by some of these guys. I think it has been correctly stated that getting a gig like this, even though they are volunteers,

does not excuse their lack of basic mechanics and rules knowledge.
They call ball, strike, fair, foul, safe and out, they cut into the diamond when the ball is hit to the OF. That's basic LL mechanics, there's nothing lacking. You might not like how they do it...but hey you're not a LL ump.
Lack of rules knowledge? Care to be specific?

If you think this is ok
I'm not their tournament UIC. It's his opinion that matters.

.... well that's a sad statement of the expected qualities of those umpires.[/QUOTE]
And just what are those expected qualities? Obviously they're different than LLBB's.

In a regional game, I don't remember the teams, with a runner on first, a ground ball was hit to the infield. The runner was forced at second and the throw to first went out of play. They awarded the batter - runner third base. WHY?? One of the other five umps should have corrected this. On another play, did you see the first base ump emphatically call the runner out as the ball sailed past the fielder? Extremely bad timing. A batter was walked on ball three. Routine calls badly missed. The list goes on. Have you not been watching? We have to live this down because we are all "Brothers in Blue" and what they do reflects on all of us. These are not just opinion.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

In a regional game, I don't remember the teams, with a runner on first, a groound ball was hit to the infield. The runner was forced at second and the throw to first went out of play. They awarded the batter - runner third base. WHY?? One of the other five umps should have corrected this. On another play, did you see the first base ump emphatically call the runner out as the ball sailed past the fielder? Extremely bad timing. A batter was walked on ball three. Routine calls badly missed. The list goes on. Have you not been watching? We have to live this down because we are all "Brothers in Blue" and what they do reflects on all of us. These are not just opinion.

I especially enjoy "foul ball" being bellowed out by the plate umpire as the ball is rolling back down the screen behind the plate.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by asdf

I especially enjoy "foul ball" being bellowed out by the plate umpire as the ball is rolling back down the screen behind the plate.

I enjoy (even more) watching the base umpires thrust their hands up like someone has a gun in their back on foul balls to the screen. I've worked with umpires that do this while I'm handing the catcher another baseball.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by asdf

I especially enjoy "foul ball" being bellowed out by the plate umpire as the ball is rolling back down the screen behind the plate.

asdf:
Please be more careful when you're quoting a poster.

In your post #63, you highlighted a reply to post that says at the top, Originally posted by KJump.

That was NOT posted by me. That reply was originally posted by Mrumpiresir. See post #62.

I'm already catching enough heat on what I've posted. I don't need to be taking it for comments I DID NOT post.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

asdf:
Please be more careful when you're quoting a poster.

In your post #63, you highlighted a reply to post that says at the top, Originally posted by KJump.

That was NOT posted by me. That reply was originally posted by Mrumpiresir. See post #62.

I'm already catching enough heat on what I've posted. I don't need to be taking it for comments I DID NOT post.

All I did was hit the quote button, just like I have many times in the past.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by asdf

All I did was hit the quote button, just like I have many times in the past.

So what does that mean? that it's OK for you to attribute a quote to me that I did not post?
It's not my quote. Clearly you can see that. (I hope).
Obviously, you did something the rest of us don't do when we reply post a reply quoting a poster.
Don't misquote people and then brush it off as no big deal.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

So what does that mean? that it's OK for you to attribute a quote to me that I did not post?
It's not my quote. Clearly you can see that. (I hope).
Obviously, you did something the rest of us don't do when we reply post a reply quoting a poster.
Don't misquote people and then brush it off as no big deal.

Ok Einstein, I hit the quote button (just like I did here)...... and what was in the post popped up.

I didn't edit anything, nor did I insinuate anything.

I added a comment that was critical of a mechanic used by more than one umpire this week.

If you have a problem with the quote button, take it up with the board administrator.

psst...... It's not a big deal

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

asdf:
post #62.

I'm already catching enough heat on what I've posted.

Deservedly So.

[Rich]

In a regional game, I don't remember the teams, with a runner on first, a ground ball was hit to the infield. The runner was forced at second and the throw to first went out of play. They awarded the batter - runner third base. WHY?? One of the other five umps should have corrected this. On another play, did you see the first base ump emphatically call the runner out as the ball sailed past the fielder? Extremely bad timing. A batter was walked on ball three. Routine calls badly missed. The list goes on. Have you not been watching? We have to live this down because we are all "Brothers in Blue" and what they do reflects on all of us. These are not just opinion.

I've read the account of the umpire working first (who actually should've known the location of the BR TOT, since he would've watched the release from F4 to read the throw before focusing on the call at first). Being on TV keeps a lot of people from stepping up, I think.

Truth is, an award of third on this play should be so rare that eyebrows should've immediately raised when the award was made.

Enough bashing. Time to start work for the day. First FB game tonight.

[LMan]

[QUOTE=Mrumpiresir;690210]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

One of the other five umps

This still makes me chuckle.

[KJUmp]

[QUOTE=Mrumpiresir;690210]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

In a regional game, I don't remember the teams, with a runner on first, a ground ball was hit to the infield. The runner was forced at second and the throw to first went out of play. They awarded the batter - runner third base. WHY?? One of the other five umps should have corrected this. On another play, did you see the first base ump emphatically call the runner out as the ball sailed past the fielder? Extremely bad timing. A batter was walked on ball three. Routine calls badly missed. The list goes on. Have you not been watching? We have to live this down because we are all "Brothers in Blue" and what they do reflects on all of us. These are not just opinion.

Why? Well share a little more information on the play. Was the base award a TOP or a TOT award?
You said R1 was forced at 2nd. How was the force registered? Unassisted? Assisted? Was the throw to 1st the second throw of an infielder? Had the BR already reached 1st at the time of the throw?

No disagreement on the bad timing. Didn't see the play, but we'd all be in agreement bad/poor timing will get anyone at any level in trouble. I've always felt that good timing is the mechanic that is the most difficult to master and the single most important mechanic for any umpire.

Routine calls badly missed....well here again, you're long on criticism and generalizations, but short on specifics and details.

"Brothers in Blue", you are not treating these guys like brother umpires.

[Mrumpiresir]

[QUOTE=KJUmp;690349]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

Why? Well share a little more information on the play. Was the base award a TOP or a TOT award?
You said R1 was forced at 2nd. How was the force registered? Unassisted? Assisted? Was the throw to 1st the second throw of an infielder? Had the BR already reached 1st at the time of the throw?


Routine calls badly missed....well here again, you're long on criticism and generalizations, but short on specifics and details.

"Brothers in Blue", you are not treating these guys like brother umpires.

Are you not following the posts on this thread?

OK. Since you did not see the play, the runner definitely had not reached first when the throw was made by the second baseman after recieving the throw from the SS. A no brainer for any serious umpire.

As far as routine calls badly missed, I guess you just weren't watching.

You did not see these games and are trying to defend these guys because you feel I am simply bashing them.

So tell me, How can you make an intelligent argument about things you did not see?

[KJUmp]

[QUOTE=Mrumpiresir;690354]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Are you not following the posts on this thread?

OK. Since you did not see the play, the runner definitely had not reached first when the throw was made by the second baseman after recieving the throw from the SS. A no brainer for any serious umpire.

As far as routine calls badly missed, I guess you just weren't watching.

You did not see these games and are trying to defend these guys because you feel I am simply bashing them.

So tell me, How can you make an intelligent argument about things you did not see?

Yes I am following the posts.

I asked a legit question about the base award call...I didn't disagree with you that maybe they kicked it....I asked for more info. on the play. You answer the question, and then slam the umpires. You've never seen a "serious umpire" boot a call or a ruling?

I've been watching the games, but I'm unable watch every inning of every game on ESPN....I guess you can.

I'm defending the notion that umpires need to be treated with respect from fellow umpires.

And lets make no mistake...all you are doing is bashing them. You've done nothing but bash them since your first post.

Your attitude toward other umpires is no better than that of a rat coach. Do you cop the same arrogant throw 'em under the bus attitude with the umpires in your local association? Never mind, I already know the answer.

[Mrumpiresir]

[QUOTE=KJUmp;690359]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

Yes I am following the posts.

I asked a legit question about the base award call...I didn't disagree with you that maybe they kicked it....I asked for more info. on the play. You answer the question, and then slam the umpires. You've never seen a "serious umpire" boot a call or a ruling?

I've been watching the games, but I'm unable watch every inning of every game on ESPN....I guess you can.

I'm defending the notion that umpires need to be treated with respect from fellow umpires.

And lets make no mistake...all you are doing is bashing them. You've done nothing but bash them since your first post.

Your attitude toward other umpires is no better than that of a rat coach. Do you cop the same arrogant throw 'em under the bus attitude with the umpires in your local association? Never mind, I already know the answer.

This is getting ridiculous. I pointed out the errors they made. There really is no argument that they did not do a good job as evidenced by the number of serious umpires that have made posts here agreeing to that fact. And yes it is a fact.

Respect is earned. You do not get respect simply because you have a title. I respect every umpire who works to learn the rules and mechanics required to be the best umpire he can be. We've seen some umpires in this series that obviously haven't done this. They have not earned my respect by making themselves and all umpires look bad.

I retired from the US military and don't work full time, so yes, I have time to sit and watch games. I think I earned this time.

I don't throw my fellow umpires under the bus, I tend to explain ways they may do something better, but this seldom happens because they are far better trained than the umpires we've seen in the LLWS.

You really don't know what you are talking about.