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ren0901 Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:32am

Umps reverse foul/fair call in Friday’s A’s/Royals game...
 
...have never seen this at any level, so very surprised this would happen at the MLB. You can watch the video here but I’m stumped as to reason why the call was reversed and why the batter-runner was awarded second. There was an observation that since the fielder picked up the ball and tossed it into the stands, he made the ball dead and thus the two base award. Look forward to hearing your thoughts...

johnnyg08 Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:54am

Wow, as some have posted earlier about these things..."A Brave New World."

They gave him a double because that's probably where we would've ended up.

I don't think throwing the ball in the stands had anything to do with where they placed the B/R.

There's my .02. good post.

GA Umpire Sat Jul 17, 2010 07:02am

I agree that he probably would have gotten to 2B. However, I thought it could only be changed if the call had no affect on how the play developed. It clearly did here b/c Crisp stopped running and the defense stopped play on the ball.

Also, I guess there is no "get your own calls" anymore. I am really beginning to dislike some of the precedences being set by MLB. I understand he was moving out of the way. But, he was about 2 feet from the ball. HP was about 110 feet away. Whose call is it?

It should have been left as a foul ball. The batter didn't even think about arguing the call. He was getting ready to hit again. I guess there weren't any EJ on the other side.

bob jenkins Sat Jul 17, 2010 07:19am

It seems to be consistent with the new rule. As I posted elsewhere, someday this will bite them in the a$$. I agree that they have gone too far (imo).

jicecone Sat Jul 17, 2010 09:48am

Lets see here , the manager decided he should come out of the dugout to try and show up U1.

Was it Fair or Foul?

I think when an official is able to put his self-ego aside and correctly make a ruling by the book rather than some preconceived macho idea of how he is being perceived, then he truly understands what he is out there for.

If the ball was truly fair, and it could be confirmed, then this was the right call for this situation.

Stu Clary Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:19pm

If this wasn't the first batter of the game, the call would not have been reveresed. What I mean by that is, the field was still perfectly groomed, and all parties could clearly see the ball mark on the line.

Another point: The Oakland manager and firstbase coach DID NOT protest vehemently or "show up" the umpire. Not at all. In fact, they were low-key and professional about the whole thing.

The correct call was made. Great job, Blue.

Steven Tyler Sat Jul 17, 2010 03:56pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 685771)
It seems to be consistent with the new rule. As I posted elsewhere, someday this will bite them in the a$$. I agree that they have gone too far (imo).

When you make the big leagues you can obviate your opinion to all whom it may concern. As long as they are consistent, I don't see where there is any problem at all. My thoughts and opinion are (deleted).

JRutledge Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:39pm

This is the reason baseball is going to the dogs. This is ridiculousness to make this call and arbitrarily decide that a runner would had been. What do they do if there were runners on base, just decide who what have been there on a missed call. This has nothing to do with ego, this has to do with common sense. Because who is to say the runner would not have made third.

Peace

DG Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:57pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 685806)
Because who is to say the runner would not have made third.

Every right fielder in ML baseball.

yawetag Sun Jul 18, 2010 03:18am

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Originally Posted by g3464123 (Post 685813)
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Odd. A spammer, but no spam link.

Edit: Oh, there it is. In their profile.

Fan10 Sun Jul 18, 2010 09:45pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 685806)
This is ridiculousness to make this call and arbitrarily decide that a runner would had been.

I don't know what you think they do on spectator interference.

johnnyg08 Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:19pm

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Originally Posted by Fan10 (Post 685882)
I don't know what you think they do on spectator interference.

Yes, but it's two completely different plays...changing a play from foul to fair on a non-homerun ball is unprecedented.

JRutledge Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fan10 (Post 685882)
I don't know what you think they do on spectator interference.

Not the same situation at all. Spectator interference involves the time of the infraction and what the play prevented from happening. Calling a foul ball and then deciding that it would have been a double is just plain silly. Actually I think the NF got this one right, because if you are going to call a foul ball in that code you cannot take it back. They created that rule because to do would be chaos. This to me just went too far and assumes a lot of things.

Peace

MrUmpire Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 685886)
Yes, but it's two completely different plays...changing a play from foul to fair on a non-homerun ball is unprecedented.

Are you sure?

johnnyg08 Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 685900)
Are you sure?

no


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