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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 12:40pm
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2-Man to 3 or 4-Man?

I am the Assistant Chief Umpire for one of my leagues. We finally (after years of discussion) went to 2-man crews for our high school and Jr. high levels 2 years ago. We had previously only used the 2-man in the Championships.

We have a good solid core of 2-man umps (including myself and another who went to Jim Evans), but would like to possibly step it up to either 3-man or 4-man crews on our Championships.

I am wondering if this is something that can be done easily, or should we wait and hold off for maybe down the line? None of us have really ever done the 3 or 4, so it would be a 1 day, 2 game thing.

If we did it, what do you see would be the downfalls (missed coverages, forgotten rotations, ect.)?
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 01:03pm
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I am wondering if this is something that can be done easily, or should we wait and hold off for maybe down the line? None of us have really ever done the 3 or 4, so it would be a 1 day, 2 game thing.
Don't do it until AFTER you have had training, including classroom, some time on a field, and maybe even a "practice" game. Otherwise, you'll end up with no umpires making a call, two umpires making a call, umpires not watching the play because they are wondering what their partners are doing / wondering what they should be doing, etc.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 01:12pm
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My suggestion is to get a copy or 2....4 of the latest 2010 CCA Baseball Umpire Manual for starters and work from there. If all of you follow that guideline alone you can do a bangup job.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 02:08pm
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My suggestion is to get a copy or 2....4 of the latest 2010 CCA Baseball Umpire Manual for starters and work from there. If all of you follow that guideline alone you can do a bangup job.
I disagree. A championship game is no place to demostrate "book lernin'". Follow Bob's advice. Study, train and practice.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 02:44pm
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Are we getting a little overly technical here? You act as though I was suggesting that they each go stand in position and read the manual during the Championship game.

I suggested something to study. At least it is a guideline to start with. It even has diagrams that they can train and practice with.

God, chill out!!!
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 03:01pm
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Are we getting a little overly technical here? You act as though I was suggesting that they each go stand in position and read the manual during the Championship game.

I suggested something to study. At least it is a guideline to start with. It even has diagrams that they can train and practice with.

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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 04:36pm
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Are we getting a little overly technical here? You act as though I was suggesting that they each go stand in position and read the manual during the Championship game.

I suggested something to study. At least it is a guideline to start with. It even has diagrams that they can train and practice with.

God, chill out!!!
Wow,

One guy responded directly to you and another agreed with Bob's response which was before yours.

That being said...

gfgartland,

Get a full season of your guys studying the CCA manual, or other appropriate guides (like jicecone recommends) and actually working a new mechanic (like Bob recommends)..... then turn em' loose during next year's tourney.

Nothing worse than a missed rotation when the "miss" is at home plate.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 02:34pm
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Don't do it until AFTER you have had training, including classroom, some time on a field, and maybe even a "practice" game. Otherwise, you'll end up with no umpires making a call, two umpires making a call, umpires not watching the play because they are wondering what their partners are doing / wondering what they should be doing, etc.
Great advice. My first 3-man experience was a clinic that included a day of classroom instruction, 2 full days of field drills then 9 eval games in 3 days. DI guys with a ton of CWS & regional experience nit-picked us without mercy. I never felt so clueless. I started to feel comfortable with 3-man during the 9th game.

You need a very sound understanding in 2-man before taking on 3-man. The same rotations apply in 3-man (plus a few others) as well as some reverse rotations. If you do 3-man for the playoffs and you have a weak link, put him behind the plate and push him on the rotations. He will do the least damage there.

As far as 3-man vs. 4-man, I think 3-man is better. It's about boxing in the runners rather than an umpire at every base. Done properly, 3-man is a thing of beauty.
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