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Old Sun Jun 13, 2010, 06:17pm
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well, THERE's a new one

OU-Va superregional:

"if the batter swung at it, then the hands are part of the bat. If he didn't, then they aren't."


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Old Sun Jun 13, 2010, 06:20pm
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Bottom 8th

Batter showing bunt. PU said he didn't offer, batter was hit by the pitch. Then they got together and ruled he offered.

I was just coming back into the room when they showed the last replay. I didn't think he offered - waiting for another look.

If you saw it, your thoughts?

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Old Mon Jun 14, 2010, 12:13pm
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Bottom 8th

Batter showing bunt. PU said he didn't offer, batter was hit by the pitch. Then they got together and ruled he offered.

I was just coming back into the room when they showed the last replay. I didn't think he offered - waiting for another look.

If you saw it, your thoughts?

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I didn't think he offered either...the Oklahoma coach had to be restrained by the third base coach...he was not happy.
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Old Mon Jun 14, 2010, 12:51pm
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I didn't think he offered either...the Oklahoma coach had to be restrained by the third base coach...he was not happy.
I guess I wonder why a grown man has to be restrained.

Of course, I also watched the Wally Backman video yesterday and couldn't stop laughing -- I wouldn't hire that clown to manage a video store, but apparently the Mets hired him to manage their short A team.
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I understand Byron.

Now understand what I am saying. The ball hit the bat. I was incorrect in saying the ball hit his hands, it did not hit his hands. Ball hit bat, ball went foul. That is a foul ball, that is what happened. That is a strike. No matter if he had tried to pull his bat out of the way, which to me it seemed like he was doing however he didnt pull it fast enough. Had the ball hit his hands, YES I agree that it would be a DEAD BALL. No matter where the ball lands. It could go into his damn pocket for all I care.

So can we all now get past the bad quote on my part "The hands are part of the bat"? That was a bad expression on my part. In that case what I was trying to refer to was had he offered at the ball and NOT pulled the bat back, then he would not be awarded 1st base. The ball would be DEAD with a strike added to his count unless that was for strike three. Do we agree with that?
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Old Mon Jun 14, 2010, 01:40pm
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So can we all now get past the bad quote on my part "The hands are part of the bat"? That was a bad expression on my part.
It was way worse than a bad quote! This "hands are part of the bat" is a misunderstanding that just doesn't go away. By stating this phrase seriously, you should expect to get razzed until you begin to really understand how irritating it is to hear this exact phrase over and over from coaches, players, announcers, and spectators. . .and yes, sometimes even from umpires.

By rule, the hands are never ever considered to be part of the bat, so please never say or write that (other than to mock those who say it seriously).
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Old Sun Jun 13, 2010, 06:22pm
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Just got back in the house in the midst of that. To me it either hit him or it didn't. In this instance, he was pulling the bat back and not offering at the ball, dead ball HBP. Don't know what the umpires ruled though.

The talking heads need to learn more about the game of baseball. I heard them refer to an OBS call during the Miami game and kept calling it interference.
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Old Sun Jun 13, 2010, 06:28pm
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we all know the hands are never part of the bat. ever. not ever. not even then.

he was either HBP or he wasn't. what was the count?
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Old Sun Jun 13, 2010, 06:32pm
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It was 0-1 when HBP.

I think talking heads just like to ...wait for it...hear themselves talk.

If he offered, it is just like swinging at the ball and getting hit. Strike. I would like to pose them a question. Can you buy a set of hands attached to the bat at Academy?
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Old Sun Jun 13, 2010, 06:37pm
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It was 0-1 when HBP.

I think talking heads just like to ...wait for it...hear themselves talk.

If he offered, it is just like swinging at the ball and getting hit. Strike. I would like to pose them a question. Can you buy a set of hands attached to the bat at Academy?
Strike... and a dead ball.


Is this a trick question?
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Old Sun Jun 13, 2010, 06:39pm
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Strike... and a dead ball.


Is this a trick question?
Yes!!!

And we're going to use their hands for our experiment since they don't seem to use them for READING. That would require effort.
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Old Mon Jun 14, 2010, 07:53am
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Strike... and a dead ball.
For those who didn't see the play, after a query by the VA coach (fielding team), the Umps got together to discuss it and they made the correct call.

Then, as if on queue, the OU coach who just had the call reversed, stormed out of the dugout to argue. I had to laugh as it was soooo obvious (to me anyhow) he was mugging for the fans and players - as in, I have to obligatorily argue this to make it look like I'm mad even though I really know it was the correct call.

He was "restrained" and sent back to his dugout by an assistant coach.
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Old Mon Jun 14, 2010, 01:46pm
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i never said i was perfect.
How did Yogi put it?

"If people were perfect, then they wouldn't be."

I think that's how it went. Most of that stuff he says sounds oddly wise.
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Old Mon Jun 14, 2010, 03:17pm
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understood celebur. I totally deserve the razzing and will take it. I just didnt mean it like it came out. As I mentioned I again have learned something. "Open mouth, insert foot".
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